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Posted 11/16/2022   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Perf10 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Forever stamps in question came from the USPS Cave, so unless foreign agents have infiltrated that philatelic operation, the stamps were valid.
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Posted 11/16/2022   2:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The Forever stamps in question came from the USPS Cave, so unless foreign agents have infiltrated that philatelic operation, the stamps were valid.


As with many areas, you the innocent, must change your life due to rampant criminal behavior by others. Your rights are trampled, theirs, not so much.

You cannot prove those individual stamps came from the caves once you have opened the package when standing before a window clerk which is consistent with what the postmaster said. That is a great part of the issue with so many counterfeits out there being snapped up by folks trying to get a deal (discount) on postage.

Even stolen legitimate, fell off the truck, out the back door and the like stamps, must compete in a market place where second hand resale is controlled by the counterfeit sales price.

Your mistake was offering them over the counter and not placing them in a drop box. If legitimate as stated, they will not be stopped in the mail stream.
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Posted 11/16/2022   7:27 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Like it or not, the Postmaster is spot on regarding the likelihood, that Forever Stamps not purchased directly from the USPS are fake as they come in from China by the ship's container load."

You seem to imply tat counterfeits outnumber real stamps. While counterfeits are a serious problem, this is an exaggeration.
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Posted 11/16/2022   7:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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While counterfeits are a serious problem, this is an exaggeration.


Not so sure about that.

In 2015:


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As the U.S. Postal Service grapples with service cuts and massive budget shortfalls, an estimated $134.4 million dollars of its annual revenue is quietly slipping away to counterfeiters and perpetrators of other types of postal fraud.

Counterfeit stamps have been identified as a steady, recurring risk for the U.S. Postal Service, which reported a loss of $8.5 billion in the last fiscal year, and they are one of the 10 biggest threats to Postal Service revenue, according to the 2009 annual report of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, the law enforcement arm of the Post Office.


From an Executive USG Homeland Security report:


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Counterfeiting is no longer confined to street-corners and flea markets. The problem has
intensified to staggering levels, as shown by a recent Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development (OECD) report, which details a 154 percent increase in counterfeits traded
internationally from $200 billion in 2005 to $509 billion in 2016. Similar information collected
by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between 2000 and 2018 shows that seizures
of infringing goods at U.S. borders have increased 10-fold, from 3,244 seizures per year to 33,810.

The scale of counterfeit activity online is evidenced as well by the significant efforts e-commerce
platforms themselves have had to undertake. A major e-commerce platform reports that its
proactive efforts prevented over 1 million suspected bad actors from publishing a single product
for sale through its platform and blocked over 3 billion suspected counterfeit listings from being
published to their marketplace. Despite efforts such as these, private sector actions have not been
sufficient to prevent the importation and sale of a wide variety and large volume of counterfeit and
pirated goods to the American public.


Given the above it is likely safe to say that the 2015 number of 134 million dollars is vastly larger now.
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Posted 03/21/2023   03:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Torin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the USPS should aggressively investigate and prosecute counterfeit postage use because it is detrimental to USPS revenue and economic sustainability. It would be great if the USPS would develop an inexpensive tool for consumer to purchase that can easily detect counterfeit postage. This would deter counterfeiters.

Regarding discount postage, since the USPS is going to raise rates twice per year for the foreseeable future, is it even worth buying most bulk discount non-Forever postage anymore? When I asked a beginner question a couple months ago about buying discount postage or an eBay label, y'all replied with the latter and you were correct. From my experience with shipping heavier clothing items, eBay's discounted rates on Parcel Select Ground shipping is between 30% to 40% off of USPS Retail Ground. So who buys 20+ sheets of non collectible 37c stamps of some obscure literary figure at 40% off face value, when eBay gives close to the same discount? 3lbs retail ground Zone 8 is over $19 whereas the eBay rate of Parcel Select Ground is $12.25. Not sure if that many 37c stamps will fit on a normal size box to cover postage at the Retail Ground rates. If using postage for average sized boxes (14"x10"x6"0 for gifts to family, friends etc., seems like the only logical stamp size to buy at a discount are very small (less than 1" each dimension) 29c to 44c stamps. Do you all agree?
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