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Posted 11/29/2022   09:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Stephen-P to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Even though it can be considered a partial grill, the hard stops up and down are obvious, and can be seen equally well on the front. They measure out to a perfect 10mm, in which case it would be an "I" grill.
Lengthwise gets trickier. It's hard to tell from photos but with the naked eye the stop can be seen at 8.5mm.
If it did reach the length of an H grill at 12mm, it would go way off the stamp. (Would that be irregular? I'm not sure)
Just hoping to get people's opinions on partial grills, as well as this piece in particular.

Also, is the 183 shown in the first picture a Chicago precancel?
Thanks in advance





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Posted 11/29/2022   09:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not a Chicago precancel,


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Posted 11/29/2022   10:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When measuring grills, it is far better to count the rows and columns than to measure the area of the visible grill. In the former case an identification can usually be made even if the grill is incomplete; in the latter case not so much.
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Posted 11/29/2022   11:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Peter!
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Posted 11/29/2022   11:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I see, thank you for the response Dudley. I figured it may be situational as well. For example, since the ends of the grill usually look more pronounced, in a case where points are missing, or there's another grill overlapping the other, it seems plausible to locate the ends first, then try to count out the unseen bumps in the middle.
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Posted 11/29/2022   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A grill is always going to have consistently-sized bumps in the middle, so if you have a partial grill that shows the ends, you would still be able to get an accurate count because you can trust that the bumps follow a consistent grid.
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Posted 11/29/2022   11:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pretend it's a watermark and dip it in fluid; that will bring up more of the grill.
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Posted 11/29/2022   11:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I ask because some websites claim that "partial grills will be valued by the least valuable type of the series".
But in the cases where even though a partial grill technically exists, one could still come to a logical conclusion based on what's mentioned above.
In my opinion, it should still get certified correctly if logic is applied rather than some immalleable principle on not being able to see every single point.
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Edited by Stephen-P - 11/29/2022 11:35 am
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Posted 11/29/2022   11:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Revcollector - It definitely doesn't hurt the stamp or it's color at all, right? I feel somewhat guilty doing it despite the general consensus.
Probably comes from my days coin collecting...
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Posted 11/29/2022   11:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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It definitely doesn't hurt the stamp or it's color at all, right? I feel somewhat guilty doing it despite the general consensus.


No damage at all. I have watched experts dip C3a, so......
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Posted 12/02/2022   11:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry about the late reply. My Google Pixel turned into a brick the next morning. I'm on a loaner phone until they get it fixed.
And the quality is terrible!
Took me forever to get these two, so I'll probably have to wait until I get my phone back until I can post anything higher quality.



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