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What Are The Scott Catalogue Numbers For The Luxembourg Europa (1956) Stamps?

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Posted 12/23/2022   5:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Tajmeredith1957 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi All, I am trying to find out what the Scott Catalogue numbers are for the Luxembourg Europa (1956) set of stamps (13 in all).(See photo) I know that the 2, 3 & 4 F stamps are #318-321. SO am I correct in thinking that the entire set comprises #309-322 ?? I looked on line but all I can find are references to separate groups of these stamps (e.g. EBay).

Thanks for your help. - Stephanie
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Posted 12/23/2022   5:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't use Scott, but I would guess: NO!

There are only three stamps that read 'Luxemburg.' These were a common issue of the members of the European Coal and Steel Union: Italy, France, Germany (West), Belgium, Netherlands, and Luxemburg. For the other ten stamps try the listings for those countries.

Top left: Italy 2x,
Top right: France 2x,
Second row left: Belgium 2x
Second row right: Netherlands 2x
Third row: Luxemburg 3x
Bottom row: Western Germany (Federal Republic of Germany) 2x.
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Edited by NSK - 12/23/2022 5:20 pm
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The stamps were an initiative of the European Coal and Steel Union. This was founded by the six countries I mentioned above. Its objective was to prevent future war in Europe through cooperation. From 1956 until 1959, the six countries issued common designs. A few other countries joined in. From 1960 the Conference of European Post and Telecommunication administrations (CEPT) coordinated such an annual common issue for the CEPT member countries. In 1992, this became PostEurop.
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Posted 12/23/2022   5:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Surprised Scott do not offer a "Common Design" type for these.

Your Luxembourg set has a CV around $150 for the 3.

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Posted 12/23/2022   6:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Where does commons design end? Only EUROPA? Also CEPT? Only common design or also common theme? Do you include the unofficial issues?
Do you stop at the European stamps, or are you doing this for all these common issues, like UPAEP? Do you include bilateral joined issues?

I suppose you will have quite a big, expensive catalogue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_postage_stamp
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Posted 12/23/2022   6:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Roberto59 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This Italian free online catalogue, also has the CEPT issues
https://www.ibolli.it/indexes/cept/index.php
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Posted 12/23/2022   7:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I suppose you will have quite a big, expensive catalogue.


That's what we expect, for the best catalogue on the planet.
Common designs for common design stamps
cept
Europa
Miasma
french community
Brit commonwealth of nations
and voluminous others.

get with the strength!
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Posted 12/23/2022   11:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smussler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Even thou an image of the Europa stamp is not shown, the six countries along with the Scott numbers are shown in the Common Design Types for Europa at the very front of the Scott catalog. Page 32A in my 2021 edition; the page before in 2018 edition.
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Posted 12/23/2022   11:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Boom!
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Posted 12/24/2022   05:21 am  Show Profile Check johnsim03's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add johnsim03 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
(all 1956)

Italy
Scott #s 715-716
25, 60 l.
$11.50 MNH, $1.25 Used

France
Scott #s 805-806
15, 30 fr.
$6.50 MNH, $1.10 Used

Belgium
Scott #s 496-497
2, 4 fr.
$9 MNH, $0.70 Used

Netherlands
Scott #s: 368-369
10, 25 c.
$72.50 MNH, $1.75 Used

Luxembourg
Scott #s 318-320
2, 3, 4 fr.
$73 Mint, $50 Used
$160 MNH

Germany
Scott #s: 748-749
10, 40 pf.
$7.30 MNH, $1.20 Used

According to my 2017 Scott Catalog

John
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Posted 12/24/2022   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am not sure what OP just changed in the original post, but the photo shows the stamps from six countries. Only three of those were issued by Luxemburg. Above, I wrote which stamps were issued by which country.

The reason OP can only find separate groups on Ebay is because they are separate issues by six countries.
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Edited by NSK - 12/24/2022 11:18 am
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Posted 12/24/2022   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tajmeredith1957 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi All,

I am so embarrassed that I did not notice that the other stamps were from other countries. Rookie mistake!

But thanks for the notes about the rest of the stamps.

I am hesitant to break up the set if I ever decide to sell them at all.

But the other Europa & CEPT web-sites will be helpful to identify a bunch of other stamps that I have I this album.

All the best for the holiday season!

p.s. the only change I made to this post was to put a question in the title :-)
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Posted 12/24/2022   2:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Even thou an image of the Europa stamp is not shown, the six countries along with the Scott numbers are shown in the Common Design Types for Europa at the very front of the Scott catalog. Page 32A in my 2021 edition; the page before in 2018 edition.


Exactly. The 1956 Europa issue is the only one that does not have an illustration. The other years are all shown for easy ID. There are 20 pages of common design types starting with, as smussler mentioned, page 32A.
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Posted 12/24/2022   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't feel bad. It is confusing to see a single design used by a range of countries.

I found full NHM sets auctioned through Catawiki. In 2016, one sold for EUR 76 (ca USD 95). This quotes Michel 2015 as being catalogued at EUR 388.
Another one sold on Catawiki for EUR 75 around the same time.
Around 2017, one sold at EUR 110, also on Catawiki.
In 2019, one sold on Catawiki for EUR 40. The listing quotes Yvert & Tellier cataloguing it at EUR 671.

The prices are all over the place. Yvert & Tellier appears to be in a fantasy universe.
Michel appears overpriced as well.
Taking the 2017 Scott MNH prices quoted above, the whole set catalogued at USD 286.
The Dutch set is catalogued at EUR 45 in my 2017 NVPH catalogue (Dutch catalogue). At the time that would have been between USD 55 and USD 60, almost 20% lower than the Scott price for the two Dutch stamps quoted above.

USD 100 - 120 may be what you might get for the complete set. However, as you can see, sometimes there is little demand and an auction might only bring you USD 50, not considering costs.

Some time ago, I bought an Irish 1960 'Europa' set. An Austrian dealer asked EUR 60. Austria would be a 'Michel' country. The Hibernian Handbook catalogued it at EUR 15 in 2020. I paid less than EUR 10.

Prices for Europa stamps, mostly, are low. Only the first issue of some countries may have some value. The second issue tends to fall off the cliffs.
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The only time I have seen some real money in the Europa issues is all of the imperfs and deluxe editions from France. Still, it takes finding the specialized Europa collector to pony up the $.
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When these were first issued, we were still recovering from murdering each other. The concept of cooperation was something very revolutionary. France and Germany have a long history of war. Not even ten years after the war the two 'Axis' nations joined forces with four occupied nations.

At the time, it was a big deal to collect stamps with a common design from several countries. In 1990, I travelled through Germany by train. It by no means was my first journey abroad. But even Germany - spot the differences - was something special.

Nowadays, I hop on an aeroplane to meet with a friend from Spain or Italy and enjoy a nice meal with them during the weekend. Kids buy a ticket for a few tenners and fly to Barcelona to walk along the Ramblas and have 'tapas.' A daytrip to Düsseldorf to do some shopping and have coffee with pie is nothing special.

The 'romance' of those stamps has gone. Germany no longer is an adventure. Italy and Spain no longer is a world travel. You can be there 'in time for dinner.'

As for common designs: big deal! If you are under 20 and living in most of Europe, you, probably, have not even noticed the money in your pocket can be attributed to individual countries.

You must be pretty old to find the concept of 'common European' anything exciting.
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