Stamp 157 Silk Paper

Hey everyone. Just looking for confirmation on this variety. It shows on StampSmarter how "silk paper" varieties litter this issue, and this piece certainly has tiny black threads scattered throughout. Also, the paper itself is glossier and more delicate, kind of like the seaweed sheets you would use for making onigiri (rice balls).
Is this an underlying attribute for silk paper?
Thanks

This does not appear to be silk. Gloss at top is a hinge remainder which will soak loose. check out stampsmarter.org for more info on silk paper.

I already referenced them. It just talks about black fibers mixed in the pulp, which this piece has.
Could you post a picture of yours if you have one so I and the world can have a better understanding?
Thanks

Stephen - If you use the forum "search" button you will be rewarded with lots of info and pics.

Stamp Smarter does NOT show #157 as having a silk paper variety.
Don

Nor does the Scott Specialized.

My point was that Stephen can see what silk paper looks like by using the search function. Revenuecollector also has great pics on his own website.

The appearance of the fibers in silk paper are rather specific. I don't see those fibers in the photo of this stamp. There are many examples of silk paper in the early USA revenues and you might be able to find some examples in the USA Back of Book section of SCF.

Mootermutt- apparently, the silk paper variety for banknotes can be seen differently from the fibers found in revenue issues in that they are mottled together with the pulp rather than being hemmed-in from the top. They are also black and VERY tiny whereas the revenue silk threads are more colorful and obvious (with the 1st issue silk paper being the exception).
This is also true: Because the fibers were ground in with the pulp, the "feel" of the paper should be noticeably different, and maybe even more so than that of a revenue considering the techniques involved. When I first pulled this piece aside from my other 157s, it was for exactly that reason, and I didn't know anything about the silk paper variety. But once I became aware I searched for and found the tiny black threads that Bill Weiss mentions in the article from StampSmarter. Not only this, but when comparing it with other 157s using the "snap test", it vibrates in motion longer and more rapidly than normal hard paper. It is much more brittle.

Rogdcam Thank you for the recommendation! That was an incredibly helpful resource you shared.

And Bart, your piece on 1st Issue Silk Papers was fantastic. I learned a lot (and look forward to visiting my local stamp dealer in search of silk threads )
https://revenue-collector.com/1stis...papers.shtml

Thank you all for the help!

Oh and forgot to ask: Does anybody have any picture references particularly of silk paper banknotes rather than the revenue varieties? I see multiple auction listings and eBay sellers claiming they have a silk paper banknote, but they don't show it in pictures.
JUST SHOW THE PICTURES lol! It speaks louder than words.

And another good point from Bart's article mentioned above, do not purchase one from a regular seller if they 1) don't add pictures of it or 2) don't have a return policy.
If there is a return policy, you'll have nothing to worry about.

I am glad that you learned a lot, but it is not my piece. It is Dan Harding's piece. (revenue-collector vs revcollector).

Not a new subject here. Maybe this will help: https://www.stampcommunity.org/topi...PIC_ID=39044

Thank you for the correction, and thank you Dan Harding! I'll be visiting your page frequently for those pictures alone.




It means a lot to get a direct link. When I start searching in these forums I unintentionally go down many rabbit holes and end up focusing on something else. It is much appreciated. I'll investigate further.

esayk, that thread was just what I needed. Until now I only had an idea of how it might look in the banknotes, but now it is clear. Let me show you something that I found before and get your opinion...

I remember holding on to this 178 despite it's condition because the color is so bold, as is the contrast between the ink and the paper (sometimes when you look through so many stamps of the same variety there are particular ones that stand out and prod your instinct). After reading your other post I pulled it out for examination and low-and-behold, it matches what you directed me to.
As stated in Bill Weiss' article, it's VERY hard to pick up them up with a normal camera, but please bear with me:

Here is the full front and back.





And here are close-ups, zooms of the threads. Again, it is a lot easier to see with a loupe but these are the best I can do for now: