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Posted 01/13/2023   1:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Mike19652 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
need some help on this sc 635 folded edge.


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Posted 01/13/2023   1:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a 635 (11x10.5) with the selvage folded up.
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Posted 01/13/2023   1:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike19652 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I changed it thanks for the help
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Edited by Mike19652 - 01/13/2023 2:07 pm
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Posted 01/13/2023   6:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you can watch it against strong light or unfold it, it will be possible to determine if it is a selvage or a piece of another stamp, unless someone has this stamp with a selvage and the size fits.
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Posted 01/13/2023   6:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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it will be possible to determine if it is a selvage or a piece of another stamp,




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Posted 01/13/2023   7:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unfold bottom first, left side second.

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Posted 01/13/2023   7:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, isn't selvage another word for tab? I'm still learning the terminology.
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Posted 01/14/2023   02:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Brzeg: (Pol.) selvedge.
Guillochis: (Fr.) selvedge.
Gum skip: area of a stamp where no gum has been applied; usually happens on selvedges.
Plate Number Strip: three or more marginal stamps with the full selvedge and plate number at the center.
Selvage (Selvedge): the unprinted paper on the edge or margin of a sheet of stamps.

Tab: an inscription printed in the margin of a stamp sheet; tabs are collected attached to the postage stamp; see tablet.
Tablet:
1: nickname given to French stamps for Peace and Commerce; due to a large tablet in the design.
2: extra piece attached to each postage stamp bearing an inscription or other design, aka tab.

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Posted 01/14/2023   03:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't understand how it is so clear that it's not part of a second stamp that was connected vertically and someone cut it.
rogdcam explanation was a bit laconic for me.
Is there any documented data about what the selvage of this stamp looks like, and if so, do the measurements fit?
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Posted 01/14/2023   03:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The folded parts would indeed match nicely with the size of an average 584. Looks like someone unevenly cut a block of them then folded the left and bottom stamp respectively on top of this one.



Mike, can you unfold either side and see if there are design elements there?
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Posted 01/14/2023   04:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mike19652, first off, welcome to the forum! Good to err on the side of caution before checking it out, but there's nothing odd or rare about this, either. We'd appreciate it if you would post an image showing this unfolded just as proof. And yeah, it appears the little corner margin piece is gone.


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rogdcam explanation was a bit laconic for me.

I don't know how he could have been any more specific. Here's the third person who's posting that this has selvage folded over - it's that obvious. Since this is a line perf stamp, the perfs on the left side wouldn't align like they do for this stamp. And who in the world would cut a partial rectangle out of stamp like this? Occam's/Ockham's Razor applies. You're starting with an assumption (that there is part of second stamp here) and trying to fill in the blanks, unsuccessfully.


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Is there any documented data about what the selvage of this stamp looks like, and if so, do the measurements fit?

Still refusing to believe rogdcam and stallzer, who clearly know stamps better than you? Then someone might say that we are coming up with doctored images to prove what is being said here. So, you can find plenty of pane and corner block images online to check out for yourself for this issue. Measurements can vary quite a bit as slicing sheets into panes was not done to perfection by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. Plus there is always trimming possible after the fact.
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Posted 01/14/2023   05:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I jumped right to a reply without reading the others! Rogdcam's reply is certainly the most logical.
(selvage, doi)
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Posted 01/14/2023   05:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hy-brasil, you are chasing and trashing me whenever I post something. No one asked you to talk for them. LEAVE ME ALONE.
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Posted 01/14/2023   08:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So….my explanation was "laconic" because there really isn't much to say about simple things unless we all want bloviate just for the sake of bloviating. We can engage in creating a jumbo word salad of philatelic terms and speculate for ten pages about all of the possibilities, just short of espionage being involved, as to the why's and what's of the mysterious paper.

Sometimes the topic is a real mystery and it is enjoyable to see people figure it out and other times black is black and white is white.

To those so inclined, please, carry on with speculating.
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