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Posted 03/01/2023   6:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add hac5x3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Is this an 1883 - 1884 83A? Also what is the blue line across this stamps? Thanks!
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Posted 03/01/2023   6:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add waddsbadds to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure what you mean by 83A. If you're referring to the Stanley Gibbons catalogue number, it's probably 183a , judging by the colour of the stamp and of the paper. It would probably qualify for the premium of 50% for well-centred and lightly used, but the stamp itself looks a bit faded, especially the southwest quadrant, and I believe the diagonal blue crayon mark which crosses the base of Queen Victoria's neck, and which, I believe indicates a registered post usage might knock a bit off the value, still, very nice stamp. The Scott number would be 109
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Posted 03/01/2023   8:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lovely socked on the nose postmark.
WARRINGTON code at top A (A new discovery for the database)
Codes Known P

The blue wax crayon, as suggested by wadds, is indeed indication of
Registration of cover

Being as the stamp is 10/- I am also wondering, if these crayons were used to cancel stamps on parcels, of this, I am not aware.

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Edited by rod222 - 03/01/2023 8:21 pm
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Posted 03/01/2023   8:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a pretty decently centered stamp and clear/clean cancel. It may be an artifact of the scan, but it looks like maybe the stamp was repaired? Is that a long tear I see going from to through the "A" in POSTAGE and into the cancel area?
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Edited by khj - 03/01/2023 8:26 pm
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Posted 03/01/2023   8:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paddle_more to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've been looking for a good copy of the 10/- for several years now. Most that turn up have worse cosmetic issues.
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Posted 03/01/2023   9:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Many suffer at the hands of a heavy datestamp or parcel cancellation, and for actually being on a parcel.

Finding nice examples is a challenge, but be prepared to pay a little more.
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Posted 03/01/2023   9:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with KHJ ........That stamp was also played with ,the blue crayon line looks cleaned away from the cancel and away from areas were ink is present .
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Posted 03/02/2023   01:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If your question is whether this is the bluish paper or whitish paper stamp:

Although it is not possible to be certain from the scan, I think it is the whitish paper stamp.

The 1892 cancellation is extremely late for bluish paper that was used for a very short period just after it was first issued. The "it is a very expensive stamp that saw little use and may have been lying around" argument sometimes used is not impossible, but extremely unlikely.

The issues with the quality and the blue line have been addressed.
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Posted 03/02/2023   03:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
EKU earliest known use 23rd May 1889
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Posted 03/02/2023   04:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

What EKU? The stamp was issued in 1884, and you, earlier, wrote


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Lovely socked on the nose postmark.
WARRINGTON code at top A (A new discovery for the database)
Codes Known P


If it is a newly discovered cancellation, where does this EKU come from?
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Posted 03/02/2023   05:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oops. I always quote from impressions in a database.
The Warrington 1889 was the only stamp thus far in record

The single ring WARRINGTON (code at top) only submitted example was Code A (1889)

Now we have a code P. (1892)
Has nothing to do with stamp date emission.

It is / was a community enterprise to locate all GB pmks (and... heaps of fun)
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Posted 03/02/2023   05:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Has nothing to do with stamp date emission.


I had a suspicion, that is why I asked.
I expect there will be quite a lot of cancellers that may have an earlier or later date of use than those identified so far.
The chance is the earliest and latest uses have not survived or, if they are, do not have a clear or full date.
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Posted 03/02/2023   06:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I expect there will be quite a lot of cancellers that may have an earlier or later date of use than those identified so far.


Absolutely, but where community input is strong, esp with the early Queen Victorian, it is always nice to see "dates of usage known" no matter how flawed that may be.

It is not unusual to find a hammer impression 5 years earlier or later, than that known.

I have found in excess of 40 postmarks (known to exist) but not seen digitally prior.


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Posted 03/02/2023   12:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hac5x3 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Appreciate all the help. This forum is a fantastic source of information. Thanks.
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Posted 03/02/2023   12:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamporator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod,

In your earlier post it looks like you reversed the code versus year.

Just to keep your database cortect, it should be - Code A = 1892 and Code P = 1889.


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Oops. I always quote from impressions in a database.
The Warrington 1889 was the only stamp thus far in record

The single ring WARRINGTON (code at top) only submitted example was Code A (1889)

Now we have a code P. (1892)
Has nothing to do with stamp date emission.

It is / was a community enterprise to locate all GB pmks (and... heaps of fun)
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Posted 03/02/2023   4:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thanks Stamporator.
Sheesh, I am human after all.
Apologies for typos

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