UK Cancelations Penny Red - Help

Hi all
Has been suggested you might all help with identifying.
Thanks

Here are a few others pages I found.
Some with plate no's????

Thanks

And another

You have some mouth watering stock there Paul,
Months and months of interesting work.
You lucky devil.

Thankyou
Just sharing

The closest I will get to seeing a "77" in my lifetime!
I can actually see this 77 postmark!

I thought this stamp looked interesting

To start with that nr. 77.

It, probably, is the closest any of us will get to seeing a nr. 77 on a Penny Red. As it has stars in the top corners, it does not show the plate number in the design. The rare plate 77 is a stamp with letters in all four corners. So, you might want to look for a stamp with letters in all four corners cancelled by a nr. 77 numeral. That, even, would be closer.

The nr. 77 canceller was issued to the East Dulwich office in the south-eastern (SE22) district. This looks like the obliterator from a duplex canceller.

NSK
My apologies
I completely understand the point you are making!
I was simply saying - I can see 77 postmark
With my eyesight- no chance of seeing a plate number
Apologies
Paul

WC stands for the west central district (in which fall Charing Cross, Picadilly Circus, and Mount Pleasant). The obliterator was used at the west-central district office in London.

Edit: that refers to your second stamp. Since it has letters in all four corners, the plate number must be part of the design.

If you have no scanner, use a shoe box or a stack of books. Lay your phone on top of it and the stamp at the bottom. It stabilises the phone when you take a picture.
I can recommend you a site where you can post pictures of stamps. It makes it easy to copy a link to your picture. Many of my pictures of stamps are links to that site.

One thing you might do is start to organise these into types - 1d blacks, 1841+ 1d browns/2d blues, perforated 1d reds and 2d blues with stars at top, 1d reds and 2d blues with letters in all four corners. Makes your future investigations easier.

Paul,

That stamp with the nr. 77 numeral cancel does not have a plate number. So it requires comparison to the imprimatur sheets to identify the plate.

GeoffHa just posted a very good suggestion.
Essentially, the British Post Office only ever issued one 1d and one 2d surface printed stamp.

The 1d stamp was printed in black. Because people removed the red cancels on the black stamps, the stamp was printed in red and black cancels were used. Both had stars in the upper corners. Then, the red stamp was perforated. Because it was possible to cut two stamps in half and paste them up to make a new, uncancelled stamp, the reverse check letters replaced the stars in the top corner and the plate number was engraved in the die. Operationally, the perforated 1d red with letters in all corners and plate numbers in the design are still the Penny Black, just produced differently.

Something similar happened with the 2d blue. In the bad lighting and with many postal workers not being able to read, white lines were added below 'POSTAGE' and above 'TWO PENCE". They were later perforated. Then the stars were replaced by the reverse check letters.

What GeoffHa suggested, boils down to ordering your 1d and 2d stamps in the order of such operational changes. That makes it a very nice collection that tells the story of how the stamps changed over time.

First image, row 3, stamp 3 is used in Malta, identifiable by the A25 postmark.

Malta used British postage stamps from 18 August 1857 to 31 December 1884, and many of the lower values including the penny red are fairly common with Maltese postmarks.

Unfortunately your stamp appears to have a chunk missing so its monetary value is now negligible.

WC = West Central London (WC19)
Duplex Killer
Earliest known usage 14th July 1871


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Halfpenny Yellow post MALTA A25

Hello Paul -

This is a good start. Lots of good suggestions. You have provably seen this site. Here is a link to help with identification :

https://www.gbps.org.uk/information/po-numbers/

From the Downloads area to the right or use the Table of Numbers on the left side of the page.

For this 847 Warrington, which do yo think the stamp cancel is - 1844 or 3HOS ??

http://goscf.com/t/72853&whichpage=10#769443 br /


1844 I'm thinking.