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Posted 03/16/2023   8:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add paddle_more to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have here a One Penny, Two Pence and Three Pence. They all have nice clear impressions. They all have these strange little sewing machine perfs as I like to call them. The 3d has a visible star watermark. The other two seem to be on rather thick paper and I can't easily see a watermark holding them up to the light. I do have a SG catalogue but it's just for the Commonwealth. Are these on the level? They seem very sharp and clear for this issue.



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Posted 03/17/2023   02:03 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
paddle_more,

They are genuine issues.

The Stanley Gibbons catalogue refers to those perforations as 'rough' perforations.

Possible candidates:
3d, Small star watermark, rough perf 14-16, SG 16
1d and 2d, No watermark, thick toned paper, Rough perf 13, SG 22-24
or Rough perf 12.5 x 13, SG 30-31.
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Posted 03/17/2023   02:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi paddle_more,

They appear unused but examination under UV light might reveal fiscal use.

As far as being genuine, they look OK to me. They're not postal stationery cutouts.

The watermark would help but they look like rough perforation types, and perhaps trimmed down in places. I don't know if the stamps from the sheet margins were imperf.

The Queensland chalons are one of the most interesting stamps of the Australian colonial period. Plenty of watermark, shade and perforation varieties!

Hopefully this info helps some
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Posted 03/17/2023   05:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Glad I held off, I knew those perforations as "Pin Perf"
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Posted 03/17/2023   05:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From Stanley Gibbons Commonwealth & British Empire, 2007 Edition:


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... rough (rough holes, imperfectly cut, often the result of blunt pins).


Quote:
Pin-perforation is the commonly applied term for pin-roulette in which, instead of being punched out, round holes are pricked by sharp-pointed pins and no paper is removed.
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Posted 03/17/2023   06:35 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If someone could possibly edit the 'Queensland' in the title of this thread, that would be great.

On why the 'rough' perforations look like pin perforations, the following is from Basset Hull's Queensland book in the section entitled 'Report of the Queensland Reference List Committee of the Royal Philatelic Society, London'.
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Posted 03/17/2023   06:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely fabulous!
Finally have a reason for "rough perfs" makes complete sense,
and is eloquently described.

Absolutely saved under my Oz "perforations" folder

Thanks guys, and thanks Basset Hull
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Posted 03/17/2023   07:22 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A pleasure, Rod222.

Also in Basset Hull, perforation of multiple sheets at once and sticky gum in humid Queensland are also suggested as probable factors causing rough perforations.

Here are some further relevant excerpts:

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Posted 03/17/2023   08:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paddle_more to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your input everyone.
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Quote:
Also in Basset Hull, perforation of multiple sheets at once and sticky gum in humid Queensland are also suggested as probable factors causing rough perforations.


I have been chasing a copy of Bassett Hull's Queensland book for decades. I have the Tasmanian and New South Wales books.

Do you have the Qld Basset Hull book in soft copy?


John
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John, your hunt for a soft copy is over.

You should be able to access it on Dave Elsmore's site here:
https://ozrevenues.com/Articles/Hul...et-Hull.html
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Posted 03/18/2023   03:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wonderful information! It'll make me have another look at my meagre holdings.
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Posted 03/18/2023   04:52 am  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you FDS
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