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Who Was The Originator And Inventor Of The Adhesive Postage Stamp?

 
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Posted 03/18/2023   5:32 pm  Show Profile Check johnsim03's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add johnsim03 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Poll Question:
Who was it?

Sir Rowland Hill

OR

James Chalmers

OR

Someone Else

What is your opinion?

John


Results:
Sir Rowland Hill   20% 2 votes
James Chalmers   60% 6 votes
Someone Else   20% 2 votes


Poll Status: Open   »»   Total Votes: 10 counted  »»   Last Vote: 03/20/2023 08:14 am  
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Posted 03/18/2023   6:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A piece of paper just big enough to bear a stamp with glutinous wash on the back describes the concept of the postage stamp (1836).
In 1837, the stamp as a piece of paper bearing an image was proposed.

Therefore, you could argue the originator and inventor are two different persons.

The concept of some image that evidenced prepayment came from Charles Whiting, but that was mostly the concept of a stationary item.
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Edited by NSK - 03/18/2023 6:09 pm
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Posted 03/18/2023   6:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Abner Doubleday. Oh wait, that was baseball......
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Posted 03/18/2023   7:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Went with Mr. Chalmers. All evidence suggests that he was first in the endeavor. Not the first time that the more promoted personage was given credit for something which they did not do. (looking at you Edison)
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Posted 03/18/2023   7:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Chalmers for me.
It took a Scot, as usual.


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Posted 03/18/2023   9:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does he count? He had the idea, proposed it and was shot down:

Lovrenc Košir

In 1835, the civil servant Lovrenc Košir from Ljubljana in Austria-Hungary (now Slovenia), suggested the use of "artificially affixed postal tax stamps" using "gepresste Papieroblate" ("pressed paper wafers"), but although civil bureaucrats considered the suggestion in detail, it was not adopted. The 'Papieroblate' were to produce stamps as paper decals so thin as to prevent their reuse.
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The self adhesive stamp was made by someone, after paid working time trying to defeat stamp collecting.
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James Chalmers
wiki
His most burning enthusiasm, however, was postal reform, and from 1825 he campaigned the authorities to speed up the mail between Edinburgh and London by convincing them that this could be done without extra cost. After several years he managed to induce a time saving of nearly a day in each direction.

In December 1837, he sent a letter outlining his proposals to Robert Wallace, MP for Greenock. Furthermore, he submitted an essay for a proposal for an adhesive postage stamp and cancelling device which was dated 8 February 1838. This also contained illustrations of one penny and two-pence values. He did not favour the use of an envelope for a letter, as each additional sheet incurred an additional charge. Instead, he proposed that a "slip" or postage stamp could seal a letter.
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Posted 03/19/2023   03:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert Wallace started the process. In 1835 Charles Whiting came up with something that resembles postal stationary. In 1836, Rowland Hill proposed to use a piece of adhesive paper that could be stamped. In 1837, James Chalmers went that step further and proposed an adhesive that already evidenced pre-payment.

The British being British, it could very well be Rowland Hill was aware of the proposal by Lovrenc Košir mentioned by Parcelpostguy. The Brits will then happily claim it was their idea.
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Posted 03/19/2023   04:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Old Marvel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
James Chalmers, if only because in Britain you only counted if you were part of the establishment.
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Posted 03/19/2023   09:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nothing like a robust debate.
Personally, I like to think Chalmers was the one, but really, I have never read
all the evidence, "invented" is a cloudy verb. From what I have read,
Rowland Hill should certainly be applauded for pushing the Penny Post through.
Most inventions come from many inspirations.

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I haven't really given it much thought before.

That is, until I read this nice little pamphlet, which is in the public domain:

https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epu...-images.html

Hence, the inspiration for this poll...

John
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Posted 03/19/2023   9:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow!
Interesting piece, shall take some reading.
Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention.

Don't ask me how I arrived at this below
I had always recalled Steve Jobs was the inventor of the computer mouse
from watching a DVD years ago, and Bill Gates pinched the idea.

After googling yesterday, I found neither was true
It has been either my poor memory, or incorrect info from the DVD.
Chinese whispers?
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3M?
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