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Posted 03/19/2023   6:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Floortrader wrote:


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A stamp like this trips up the Catalog Queen crowd because all they do is parrot what the catalog has written .


He frequently uses the term "catalog queen" as a derogatory term for some fellow collectors. Total rubbish. He never gets called out on it though. Now he has.
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Posted 03/19/2023   6:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, apart from OP, there has been only one contributor to this thread who made a statement about the stamp's rarity.

Other people questioned how OP could conclude the stamp was rare when OP did not know what stamp it was.
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Posted 03/19/2023   7:06 pm  Show Profile Check philatelia7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add philatelia7 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What is a "catalog Queen?"

I'm guessing by the context a slavish devotion to catalog prices and descriptions or something like that? I'm trying to figure out how that would work as there are so many different catalogs with different systems, constant updates, corrections, omitted material added etc - none are perfection.

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Posted 03/19/2023   7:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are two of Michel 224 on piece available on Delcampe for 6 Euros:



https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/coll...4467381.html

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Posted 03/19/2023   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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how OP could conclude ... when OP did not know...

I give up: What is OP? It's not the initials of jojo.
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Posted 03/19/2023   7:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OP = Original Poster
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Posted 03/19/2023   7:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
WAIT A MINUTE --------- Your crying about something you don't know anything about .

Let's have a little history lesson and put everything in context

Back in 2001, .... yea that was almost 25 years ago ----That is where that term came about .

That is when stamp chat boards started up and were new and lots of new people were excited to talk and ask questions about stamps . But there was a small group who thought they own the board and had a GOD given right to answer questions for newbee's .

I sat on the sidelines and read the questions and read the answers and being a good boy and paid attention . After a few weeks they started calling each other EXPERTS . ok call yourself what you want and call each other the same ......hey I didn't know any better .

Soon I noticed they could only answers correctly for the new people only if it was in one of the five major philatelic catalogs ,so I throw out questions that couldn't be found in the catalogs ,only one of them ,a David B.{he was a real expert on stamps } could respond with the needed info . The rest of the circus was a laugh .

Someone else ,a Russian guy living in Colorado came up with the phrase "Catalog Queens " in a discussion on the board ,I liked it and it fit .
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Posted 03/19/2023   8:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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WAIT A MINUTE --------- Your crying about something you don't know anything about .

Let's have a little history lesson and put everything in context

Back in 2001, .... yea that was almost 25 years ago ----That is where that term came about .

That is when stamp chat boards started up and were new and lots of new people were excited to talk and ask questions about stamps . But there was a small group who thought they own the board and had a GOD given right to answer questions for newbee's .

I sat on the sidelines and read the questions and read the answers and being a good boy and paid attention . After a few weeks they started calling each other EXPERTS . ok call yourself what you want and call each other the same ......hey I didn't know any better .

Soon I noticed they could only answers correctly for the new people only if it was in one of the five major philatelic catalogs ,so I throw out questions that couldn't be found in the catalogs ,only one of them ,a David B.{he was a real expert on stamps } could respond with the needed info . The rest of the circus was a laugh .

Someone else ,a Russian guy living in Colorado came up with the phrase "Catalog Queens " in a discussion on the board ,I liked it and it fit .


Who are you to judge anybody? If some people want to answer questions by searching for information in catalogs or on the internet or in literature that they have who cares? Why put them down? It is childish and serves no purpose. I do see experts here on particular topics and I don't know where their knowledge comes from. The key is that they can communicate their answers in a way that is clear and helpful to others. More importantly though they never identify themselves as experts. They are just helpful and share their knowledge. This hobby does not need people that appoint themselves arbiters of who is worthy and who is not. That is just total nonsense.

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Posted 03/19/2023   8:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


A catalogue number, whatever one you employ, is the starting point for any scholarly route for study of a particular postage stamp.

The rest is just noise.
When "Queen" is used as a pejorative, then it is a comment on the user.

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Edited by rod222 - 03/19/2023 8:56 pm
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Posted 03/20/2023   10:34 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Not just the OP, but as you point out, many others. This is a fine example of the adage, "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing." An individual sees a stamp, thinks that because (to their admittedly unknowing eye) it looks like one they found online that sells for hundreds, thousands, or millions, they must have the same thing.


Very much this.

I get emails through my website every week from someone who has been researching revenue stamps they have either found or acquired. They stumble across the first page on my site where the stamp looks like the one they have, see the estimated retail value I have assigned, and without context they jump to conclusions. They ignore cancel, usage, plate variety, color shade, etc.

Some even go so far as to make such broad assumptions as "all green stamps have the same value", e.g., contacting me through a page on R17c (3c Playing Cards cataloguing $200) when what they have is R19c (3c Telegraph cataloguing $3).

All novices and non-collectors tend to suffer from the same affliction: lack of knowledge creating lack of nuance, especially when it comes to condition. It's no different from somebody with a ratty torn Mickey Mantle rookie card thinking it's worth the same as a PSA Graded 10 sold at auction.

It's hard to educate non-collectors. I have a link on every item page on my website right smack dab next to estimated retail value marked "What is this?" that opens a page with the following text (I don't want to waste screen space on the main item page). I can't make them click on the link, let alone actually read and comprehend it...


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What Is "Estimated Retail Value"?

Scott catalog values only tell part of the story when it comes to stamps, and this is even more true of revenues than front-of-book material.

There are a myriad of attributes that can positively or negatively affect the value of a revenue item compared to Scott value, in some cases by several orders of magnitude. These include, in no particular order:

  • Underlying condition of the stamp

  • Type of cancel (manuscript, handstamp, printed, stencil, cut, etc.)

  • The color of a cancel

  • The intricacy of the design of a cancel

  • The company whose cancel was used

  • Where the stamp was used

  • The date the stamp was used

  • Aesthetics of the cancel, stamp, document, or any combination thereof

  • The type of document the stamp was used on

  • Ornateness of a document and its design

  • Signatories to a document

  • Lack of Scott Catalog attention (some listings have not been updated in decades and the values are meaningless)

  • Lack of Scott Catalog listing entirely

  • Plate varieties. There are many more than Scott lists.

  • Valuation of mint stamps. Personally, I only consider 1st-3rd issue revenues to be "mint" and thus worthy of a premium if they have original gum, which are VERY scarce. More than 95% of the supposedly mint early revenues sold have no gum, and in fact are used (but uncancelled) stamps that were steamed, sweated, or soaked from documents. If it doesn't have gum it's not unused. Period.


The estimated retail value value I provide is my personal opinion and is specific to the exact item shown. It is based upon similar items I have seen at auction, in person at stamp shows, in catalogs, in other collections, and experience buying and selling from national revenue specialist dealers. It is my estimate of a full retail price; when buying from other collectors, in bulk lots, or online at venues like eBay or Hipstamp, the price garnered could be considerably lower. My estimate should not be taken as gospel or as an indicator of value for any other item; it is provided for informational purposes only and should not be construed as a buy or sell offer.



I think I may take that last paragraph and move it up to the very top...
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Edited by revenuecollector - 03/20/2023 10:36 am
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Posted 05/27/2023   8:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For what it is worth the OP's stamp is a stamp shown again in the OP of the same poster here: http://goscf.com/t/84309&whichpage=1#778887 . That thread is named, "Is This A Rare Haiti Stamp?" which shows that they took to heart the Haiti information, just the Haiti information.
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