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Posted 03/20/2023   1:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Stephen-P to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I didn't know whether to put this in "Classic Stamps" or "Covers", but can anybody give any insights into why this 605 was canceled on a Chinese newspaper clipping? It's headlining a meeting between Truman, Stalin, and Churchill.
Conspiracies welcome


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Posted 03/20/2023   1:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
my 2 cents ....

Stamp collectors put stamps on all sorts of things to make philatelic souvenir. Obviously, this did not go through the mails.
Looks like a propaganda leaflet of some sort. I recall seeing a website where the military collectors have cataloged this type of thing.
IMO, the added stamp/cancel detract in this case, unless some direct connection can be found.
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Posted 03/20/2023   1:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is the ship which the cancel is from. With the 3 leaders and the bomb images, I wonder if the paper was printed soon after Hiroshima. Of course it might also be about local hostilities


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_M...re_(APA-129)
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I was thinking it may have just been a collector as well, but why use a stamp 20 years after it's issue?
Seemed odd, so I looked up the histories of Harding's and Truman's presidencies. There were plenty of conspiracy theories surrounding Harding's death as his reputation was similar to that of even Kennedy's. When he passed, an autopsy was refused by the wife and he was embalmed just one hour after it happened. This was to the chagrin of the doctors who obviously felt most of the conspiratorial blunt from such a hasty decision.
The cause of death was not established and never unanimously agreed upon by even his immediate physicians.

This is kind of similar to FDR's passing, which was only weeks before the events leading to WW2 resolutions.. and many other monumental changes.

I wonder if this was some officer's way of sending a message, with Harding and Truman facing each other.
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Posted 03/20/2023   2:50 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As has been mentioned numerus times in this community, the most likely explanation is the one which requires the fewest assumptions.
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but why use a stamp 20 years after it's issue?

These stamps franked a piece of mail which arrived today, and there have been several threads about recently getting stamps from the 1930s on covers and the discount postage market.



Collectors frequently used older stamps back then too. Just look at first flight covers.

I recently discussed poetry with a retired English teacher and she noted some deep meaning that the poet had in their verse. I countered that we rarely knew the intent or mood or thinking of the poet. There may be no hidden message of love or lust or angst in the red fire engine. Sometime the fire engine is just "red".

I needed a stamp and that is the one I used. I would not buy into any Harding-esque conspiratorial connections to the selection of this stamp.
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Just the other day, I saw a cover that was franked with the 4 cent and 5 cent Navy stamps from 1937, among others.
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Umm, that's kinda cool....I sent a pic to my favorite oriental translator.....may have more info on what this document is and what it says....

Just FYI 10 Jan 1946 was the last time USS Mcintyre was in Samar, P.I. She returned to CONUS........

"The following month she returned to the western Pacific, arriving at Samar, Philippine Islands, 10 January 1946. She remained in Philippine waters until mid February. On 11 February, she departed Manila, called at Subic to embark passengers and then proceeded on to the west coast. Arriving San Francisco, 3 March, she debarked her passengers and prepared to get underway for Norfolk, Virginia.

McIntyre entered Hampton Roads 13 April, decommissioned there 6 June 1946, and returned to the Maritime Commission on the 12th. Her name was struck from the Navy list on the 19th."

....so, whoever applied the postal mark from the ship, probably wanted to remember 10 Jan 1946 as a day the ship headed for home! More after I hear from my translator....hopefully she can read this...
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Her answer....."It's China paper(actually a leaflet). At that time KMT (Chinese Nationalist Party) was still in charge of China. This is old. 1945 around WWII. First was the 3 heads of state Stalin, Churchill, and Roosevelt discuss the future after the war. The second about what each military did during the war."

Interesting that she said nothing about A bombs.
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Those could just be bullet points, rather than bombs.
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John Becker there have been several threads about recently getting stamps from the 1930s on covers


I just used these oldies last week, all pulled from album acquisitions



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Note that Special Delivery stamps are not valid for postage.
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revcollector wrote:

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... I wonder if the paper was printed soon after Hiroshima

That's probably expected. It's in remarkable shape. It's dated October 22, 1945, the year date written "American style" and appears to have been issued in the US. A couple of the articles are dated June 10.
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I guess I'll see if it gets returned. I've received lots of stamp purchases mailed with the '54 20c & '57 30c issues. One piece was sent with tracking and my mailman brought it to the door and was amazed to see the old stamps on the cover. Never said a word about being invalid.
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Revcollector - Interesting that the ship was at Nagasaki: ..."On 30 October, she reported, at Nagasaki, for "Magic Carpet" duty, returning men to the United States, arriving in Seattle 21 November. "

I wonder what troops we had there so soon after we obliterated it? Not on my list of places to be stationed for occupational duty!!!! I cant imagine the dockyard and port facilities were very safe.....

Lets just put occupation troops right where we just dropped an atomic bomb.....!
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Posted 03/21/2023   09:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not active troops being evacuated but probably POWs in the many camps in the area being used as forced labor.
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