Number Of Spaces In Deep Blue (Steiner)?

I know that Deep Blue (Steiner) has about 6,500 printed pages to cover 1840-1940 (to 1952 for British Commonwealth).

Does anyone have an idea how many total album spaces are contained in Deep Blue? Or an educated guess?

John

John - isn't the so-called Deep Blue content the same as Scott National or Speciality albums? Do they have counts?

Geoff,

Since Steiner is designed to follow Scott, one would think so. I am not aware of any counts for album spaces that exist for Steiner or Scott.

John

Steiner has more spaces than Scott albums. In a few British commonwealth countries, Steiner provides spaces for perforation varieties (minor suffix) and a few shades from the KGVI sets. So maybe call Steiner deeper blue.

How about an uneducated guess?

Checking just a few Steiner pages on SCF provided courtesy of rod222 et al, I get something like 12 spaces per page average, so then 75,000 spaces total, plus or minus, at this point.

Scott International (Big Blue) 35,000 spaces 8,000 illustrations (1947 edition)
Minkus Supreme Global (Big Red?) 76,000 spaces 40,000 illustrations... 2,000 pages Through 1954...
Scott Specialty Albums and Minkus Specialty ???

Does "Big Red" typically have all souvenir sheets?

Thanks to everyone for their input. I was curious as to how others would guess...

My thoroughly uneducated guess puts Steiner in the range of 80-95K spaces. The souvenir sheet and sparsely populated pages alone would have to account for at least 500-575 pages. That leaves 5.75 - 6K pages at 12-15 (average) stamps per page.

John

"Does "Big Red" typically have all souvenir sheets?" Not that I have seen in the base Supreme Global. I did a quick check of the supplements I have and that is a "no" too. The Specialty Minkus has many many pages for souvenir sheets (might be better than Scott or the more prolific countries ) and they sure do take up a lot of real estate.

I had these figures from a couple years ago - do not remember which edition of Big Blue they refer to -
Part I - 34,410 spaces (to 1940)
Part II - 16,857 spaces (1941-49)
Part III - 14,033 spaces (1951-5)
Part IV - 8,621 spaces (1956-9)
Part V - 11,652 spaces (1964? can't recall end date).

And yes, Minkus specialty albums seem to have very comprehensive souvenir sheet coverage - noticed that when going through a bunch of South American Minkus albums some months ago.

So if someone is approaching 300,000 stamps, they are not likely spaces in an album for them?

Al,

Steiner has about 200,000 pages to date, so I don't think whole world - all dates coverage is much of a problem. 300K stamps would probably fill 30-40% (or less) of that enormous number of pages...

John

I think we are up to about 700k different stamps in the world so those Steiner sheets would be "well filled" has anyone printed out all 200k pages? I'd like to see that… I once helped out an estate in the pre-Steiner era and he used notebook paper and 150 3 ring binders… the value was in the boxes of stamps he never mounted!

Even if a person uses the most inexpensive cotton rag archival paper ($0.10 sheet); printing 200k pages would be $20,000. Using cheapest copy paper ($0.01 sheet) would be $2000 although I could not imagine that anyone would go to the trouble of printing 200k stamp album pages on the cheapest copy paper they can find...but then again,


Don

If my rough back-of-the-envelope calculations are right, 70lb cotton paper would end up being 7,000 pounds of paper, not including binders or interleaving or spacers.

"That's a lot of weight all in one place." It's not all in one place, when you have to have 2,000 100-page binders.

I have a sneaky feeling someone out there might have done just that! I have only seen country collections on the secondary market using Steiner pages or a continuation of a collection in the modern era I've never a general worldwide collection

Kelleher(?) very recently had a sale with a few worldwide lots measured in the thousands of pounds (or kg, as is your preference).