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Posted 03/27/2023   4:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add valjean to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I came across this card, it looks strange that the Napoleon vignette in the upper right was supposed to be essay and now it is used as postal stationery card, what is more strange is that the card left Belgium for France, does anyone know the background of this postal stationery?

Supposed it was a essay for Napoleon-stamped postal card and mistakenly used as a regular postal stationery?

Why it's shipped from Belgium?

Is the vignette postage legit? and what is the denomination?



here is the usual appearance of the essay.


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Posted 03/27/2023   4:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could it be possible to post a scan or a better picture?


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Posted 03/27/2023   4:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Belgian stamps were cancelled at Marchienne-au-Pont that is close to Montigny-le-Tilleul. Both are in the province of Hainaut in Belgium.
Maybe someone from Belgium acquired the card in France and used it at home. Marchienne-au-Pont is close to the French border.

Alternatively, someone from France may have been in Marchienne-au-Pont and posted the item there to save on the cost of postage.

Adressed to a Sylvain Dothée, painter. A painter "Sylvain" Joseph Dothée, born 27 April 1853 in Molenbeek was active in Montigny-le-Tilleul from 1891 until 1906 and died there 18 June 1934. But he cannot be the addressee.
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Posted 03/27/2023   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add valjean to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes Peter, here is the clear photo of the vignette
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Posted 03/27/2023   5:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks fishy to me.

No value, FRANG. instead of FRANC., doesn't reference France above Carte Postale (not that it has to...not every piece of French postal stationery does, though many do).

Would the Belgian stamps have paid contemporaneous postage for a card mailed in Belgium, to Belgium? (Seems high, but what do I know?)
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Posted 03/27/2023   5:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add valjean to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@NSK

Very interesting.........
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Posted 03/27/2023   5:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add valjean to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Cjd

I think the vignette was from the same die of the essay, which also shows FRAN"G".
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Posted 03/27/2023   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I noticed that. I have no actual information to impart...hopefully someone will come along with more info about the card.

The two 2c stamps would have been rather old in 1897, no?
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Posted 03/29/2023   08:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Those Napoleon labels are not essays but cinderellas
Issued in 1896,not 1854 as found on some Internet sources.
9 perf. values exist,and 8 imperf.
They can be found with pleasant cancels "Paris rue de Vaugirard" or "Tombeau de Napoleon 1er Invalides"


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Posted 03/29/2023   09:02 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
vayolene,
Well done.
Don
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Posted 03/29/2023   09:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I read the year in the cancellation as 1857. But it could be 1897. That would tie in nicely with the issue (or rather publishing) date of 1896. It, also, makes "Sylvain" Joseph Dothée a likely recipient.

I came across that name 'googling' for "Sylvain Dothée paintre montigny le tilleul." Since the card did not bear an address but did identify the recipient as "painter" he might well have been known and mentioned on the web.

The Belgian post office may well have mistaken the impression for a stamp, since it was cancelled in Marchienne-au-Pont, like the Belgian stamps, and on the same date.
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Posted 03/29/2023   11:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I figured 1897 was the only option for the cancel based on the issue date of the 1c arms stamp.
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Posted 03/29/2023   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had not checked those yet. Never assume always check! But I did not check that: too late at night.
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Edited by NSK - 03/29/2023 1:22 pm
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