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French India Scott #20 & #21 Real Or Fake?

 
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Turtle2900
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Posted 04/22/2023   11:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Turtle2900 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I would appreciate your opinions about these 2 beauties.
I know counterfeits are common in this group so I am looking for tips on how to ID areas of concern. The red ink "over spray" on #20 (.05 overprint) seems a bit odd to me.
They both also appear to be Never Hinged and the gum without major issues, which excites me, but also may add to the "to good to be true" category.
Thank you in advance.
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GeoffHa
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Posted 04/22/2023   12:07 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They look like fakes - can't see a navel on the right-hand side figure. Quick guide is to measure the perfs - originals are 14 x 13 1/2, Sperati etc fakes are 13 1/2 x 14.
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Cjd
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Three quick and dirty things to look for:



From top to bottom, the circled hand needs to have fully-developed fingers; the circled fruit needs to be round and not mushed into the rim of the cornucopia; and the right figure needs to have a navel/belly button.

The genuine stamps have an overall higher production value, too, when compared side by side.
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Edited by Cjd - 04/22/2023 12:43 pm
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It's a Fournier forgery..
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Cjd
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Posted 04/22/2023   12:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are the same features on a genuine stamp.

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rogdcam
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CJD - Thanks for the info. Very clear and helpful.
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GeoffHa
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Paradoxically, the nicer the gum, the lower the likelihood of legitimacy. The fakes often have cleaner, whiter gum than the originals.
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Turtle2900
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Posted 04/22/2023   1:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Turtle2900 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all. I had a feeling this would be the case. Unfortunately, the fairly large lot I was asked to examine includes mostly Fournier fakes.
I should have googled this more and trusted my gut.
The presentation from this philatelic group is very interesting and helpful.
https://thedigitalphilatelist.com/f...is-fournier/
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Cjd
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Great scans for i.d. work.
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