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Posted 05/12/2023   04:32 am  Show Profile Check johnsim03's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add johnsim03 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Just for fun, I've been playing around with Google Bard:

https://bard.google.com/

Here are a couple of items to kick things off.

Asked to write a story about personalities on a stamp forum, the following was produced:


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The stamp forum was a place where people from all over the world could come together to share their love of stamps. There were people of all ages and from all walks of life, and they all had one thing in common: their passion for stamps.

One of the most active members of the forum was a young woman named Sarah. She had been collecting stamps since she was a child, and she knew an incredible amount about them. She was always willing to help other members of the forum with their stamp collecting questions, and she was always up for a friendly debate about the merits of different stamps.

Another active member of the forum was an older man named John. He had been collecting stamps for over 50 years, and he had a vast collection of stamps from all over the world. He was a wealth of knowledge about the history of stamps, and he was always happy to share his knowledge with others.

The forum also had a number of members who were more interested in the social aspects of the hobby than the collecting aspect. These members would often post pictures of their stamp collections, or they would share stories about their experiences as stamp collectors. They were a friendly and welcoming group, and they always made new members feel welcome.

The stamp forum was a great place to learn about stamps, to meet other stamp collectors, and to share your love of stamps with others. It was a place where people from all walks of life could come together and bond over their shared passion.

Here are some of the other personalities that you might find on a stamp forum:

The expert: This person knows everything there is to know about stamps. They can identify stamps from all over the world, and they can tell you their value.
The collector: This person is passionate about stamps and loves to add new ones to their collection. They are always on the lookout for rare and valuable stamps.
The trader: This person is always looking to trade stamps with other collectors. They have a wide variety of stamps to choose from, and they are always willing to make a deal.
The beginner: This person is new to stamp collecting and is looking to learn more. They are always asking questions and are eager to get involved in the hobby.

No matter what your level of experience or knowledge, there is a place for you on a stamp forum. These forums are a great way to connect with other stamp collectors, to learn about stamps, and to share your love of this hobby.


When asked to write a stamp collecting poem.


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I love to look at stamps,
With their pretty pictures and bright colors,
They tell me stories of far-off lands,
And of people and events from the past.

I love to collect stamps,
From all over the world,
They are like little pieces of history,
That I can hold in my hand.

I love to study stamps,
To learn about the countries they come from,
And the people who designed them,
Stamps are a fascinating hobby,
And I am glad that I collect them.

I love to share my stamps,
With other collectors,
It is a great way to make friends,
And to learn more about the hobby.

I love to talk about stamps,
With other collectors,
We can talk about our favorite stamps,
And our latest finds.

I love to show off my stamps,
To other people,
It is a great way to introduce them to the hobby,
And to share my love of stamps.

I love stamp collecting,
It is a hobby that I will never give up,
It is a hobby that has brought me joy,
For many years.


Interesting...

Give it a whirl.

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Posted 05/12/2023   06:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This "bard" reminds me of the bard in the "Asterix and Obelix" comics by Goscinny and Uderzo.

The third paragraph is almost a copy of the second one. That is where I switched off.

Forcing myself to read further - and stay awake -, the fifth paragraph is not much different from the first. The final paragraph is yet another variation on that team.

After discussing two people that "knew an incredible amount about them" and are "a wealth of knowledge about the history of stamps" I do wonder how the "expert" is another personality. Strictly speaking, being an expert is not a "personality" but interpreting it as "person" I am not quite sure how knowing an incredible amount about stamps is not an expert who "knows everything there is to know about stamps".
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So, I tried to think of something to prompt the AI with that was from left field. At times I have seen the term "catalog queens" used on this forum. It seemed like a challenge. What I was really curious about was whether AI would ever not provide an answer or admit that it did not have enough information to provide a write-up. Here is the question and response:


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What does the term "catalog queens" mean in stamp collecting?



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The term "catalog queens" in stamp collecting refers to collectors who focus solely on acquiring stamps based on their catalog value rather than on the artistic or historical significance of the stamps. These collectors are primarily interested in building a collection of stamps that have a high monetary value, often with the intention of reselling them in the future.

Catalog queens may place a higher value on stamps that are rare, in excellent condition, or have other unique qualities that increase their catalog value. They may be less interested in stamps that are common, damaged, or have little value in the market.

This approach to stamp collecting can be controversial, as some collectors view it as a purely commercial pursuit that overlooks the artistic and cultural value of stamps. Others may see it as a valid approach to collecting that emphasizes the financial investment aspect of stamp collecting.


I am a bit impressed given the in-the-weeds terminology of my prompt. Not sure that the AI definition matches the forum member's definition of the term but the AI definition can be seen as sensical if you had no context.

It is fascinating stuff.

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I've been using Bard for a few months, it is not perfect but it does a pretty good job. It is especially good for anyone who is staring at a blank page and wondering how to start. For example, my local club was updating our poster (sits at stamp show tables, front of meeting door, etc.). We wanted to add some 'marketing' verbiage for the club features rather than just have the standard club information. Jump into Bard, ask it 'why should I join the Asheville Stamp Club' and it instantly returns bulleted list of the value of club membership. A GREAT starting point, in less than 2 minutes we were done.

Another example, I am working on a new website for another club. I have been relying heavily on Bard, ChatGPT and other AI generated graphics to develop the site instead of trying to generate all of this from scratch. I have easily shaved at least 33% of my man hours from the project.

Anyone who thinks that AI is going away is a fool. AI, like any other tool or innovation, can (and will) be used for unethical or immoral reasons. That is because humans are at fault. I really do not understand some of the push back and rejection. It is like standing in 1898 and saying, "these new automobile are dangerous". No kidding Sherlock, by the year 2023 automobiles will be kill 40,000+ people a year just in the US. Worldwide millions of lives have been lost in auto crashes since it was invented. Does that mean that we should have never accepted the auto as a new innovation? Of course not, we added regulations and laws to try to minimize the negative impacts. Nuclear technology is another example, it can save our planet or it can kill our planet.

Even though in general I am leery of too much regulation and oversight, AI is clearly a case where governments should already have elbow deep with their discovery and plan development phase for new regulations. AI is nothing new at all, we have been talking about it for years. If governments can spend money on some of the moronic things they currently spend it on, then there is certainly no excuse for not have been preparing for this for the last 20 years.
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Posted 05/12/2023   10:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essay_proof to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not impressed. It's drivel, all of it. If this system was even vaguely intelligent, when asked to write a poem it would respond by demurring, noting its own limitations and inability to be creative. Aggregating information and breaking it up into stanzas (badly) is not poetry. So the output is not genuine or original in any respect. That it knows to aggregate information and break it up into stanzas when asked to "write" a poem is nothing but a computing parlor trick.

As for "catalog queen," I'll give it credit in that it was able to find that information. I did a google search (and a forum search here) and didn't come up with much. But it offered a fake opinion in suggesting that the mindset of the catalog queen is "controversial." Programs are incapable of expressing opinions or making judgements. This one fakes both.

May AI die a quick death.
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May AI die a quick death.


Not gonna happen. The tech industry is all-in on AI.

Ten years from now, if not sooner, our interactions with computers, devices, and the IOT (internet of things) will have evolved very significantly as a result of AI.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of AI - but its a train that is coming, and won't be stopped.
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I think that the train has already left the station and is well down the tracks.

Just like online search engines, I would agree that it is important to learn how to use AI tools. Like other tools, it took me using it for a few days to figure out how to get the best responses. And sometimes, especially with generating AI images, you have to make sure you ask for the right style to get the best results. At the end of the day, somethings you get might not be useful to you.

The AI analogy to online search engines is also applicable when it comes to user education. To this day many users are only willing to type a key word into a search engine and not learn how to use things like criteria and operators. <shrugs> To each their own. In my opinion I think it is one thing to be able to search and access online content and a completely another thing to be really proficient at it.

Many companies have already implemented AI. If you order from Amazon, your order is using AI technology. And in many, many companies, AI is already assisting in supply chain management (SCM) is within the next 10-12 will totally transform SCM. What used to take weeks for Purchasing Department to source material, get quotes, analyze the results, and present the best purchasing plan now only takes 30 minutes. And the company get multiple procurement plans (i.e. cheapest plan, fastest plan, pragmatic plan, etc.).
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When asked, "How will AI affect stamp collecting?"


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Artificial intelligence (AI) is rapidly developing and is already having a significant impact on many different industries. Stamp collecting is no exception. AI is already being used in a variety of ways to improve the stamp collecting experience, and its impact is only going to grow in the future.

One of the most obvious ways that AI is affecting stamp collecting is through the use of online databases. These databases allow stamp collectors to easily search for and identify stamps, and they also provide a wealth of information about stamps, such as their history, value, and rarity. This information can be invaluable to stamp collectors, and it has made it much easier to learn about and collect stamps.

In addition to online databases, AI is also being used to create new tools and resources for stamp collectors. For example, there are now AI-powered stamp grading tools that can help collectors to accurately grade their stamps. There are also AI-powered stamp identification tools that can help collectors to identify stamps that they are not familiar with. These tools can be very helpful for stamp collectors, and they make it easier than ever to collect stamps.

AI is also being used to create new ways to experience stamp collecting. For example, there are now AI-powered virtual stamp galleries that allow collectors to view and learn about stamps without having to leave their homes. There are also AI-powered stamp auctions that allow collectors to bid on stamps online. These new ways to experience stamp collecting are making it more accessible and enjoyable than ever before.

Overall, AI is having a positive impact on stamp collecting. It is making it easier to learn about and collect stamps, and it is creating new and exciting ways to experience stamp collecting. As AI continues to develop, it is likely to have an even greater impact on stamp collecting in the future.

Here are some specific examples of how AI is being used in stamp collecting:

Online stamp identification tools: These tools use AI to identify stamps by their appearance. This can be helpful for collectors who are not familiar with a particular stamp or who are unsure of its value.

Virtual stamp galleries: These galleries use AI to create realistic 3D models of stamps. This allows collectors to view stamps from all angles and to learn more about their history and design.

AI-powered stamp auctions: These auctions use AI to automate the bidding process. This makes it easier for collectors to participate in auctions and to bid on stamps from all over the world.

These are just a few examples of how AI is being used in stamp collecting. As AI continues to develop, it is likely to have an even greater impact on this hobby in the future.


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Looks like the Bard has pronounced this forum's demise; note the predominant usage of "was", "where", "had" in the first part of the first example in the OP.
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I need footnotes.

Please old bard tell me where I can find "These auctions [that] use AI to automate the bidding process" or "These galleries use AI to create realistic 3D models of stamps. This allows collectors to view stamps from all angles and to learn more about their history and design."

This all sounds hypothetical and made up. Not entirely unexpected, but it is hard to know what to believe anymore.
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Zebra,
I have been using AI to generate images (not 3D models) and for philatelic websites and presentations for a year. And if you have used eBay or Amazon then you are already using AI. If you have used Microsoft's BING search engine then you have used AI. Feeling the pressure, Google already has completed testing AI adding AI into its Google Search page and will be releasing it very soon. AI is already impacting all of our lives whether we are aware of it or not.

According to online info..

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In 2022, 35% of businesses worldwide used AIa four percentage point increase from 2021. The global artificial intelligence market is expected to reach $1.59 trillion by 2030. 91 percent of leading businesses have ongoing investments in artificial intelligence.

I agree that its reply about 3D modeling for stamp ID is obviously incorrect for now (at least until it can use its paper 3D data to determine its thickness and then someone else adds this data for the different stamp issues).



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This all sounds hypothetical and made up. Not entirely unexpected, but it is hard to know what to believe anymore.

Agreed, anyone who primary source of AI information is the media is going to not have a good understanding. Just as it has always been, the media standard operating procedure is "if it bleeds, it leads". In other words, a bunch of misleading sensationalism. Getting a good understanding of anything requires some discovery time and work. It does not come with spending five minute reading a media story or trying it a few times.

We have had non-collectors come into the community with only an market value understanding of looking at a catalog, Mystic prices, or having sorted eBay listing 'by highest first'. No one here would call these folks understanding of philatelic market values 'good'. How much time and effort would it take to for a non-collector to get a decent understanding of philatelic values? Take whatever time you think it might take and then apply that to learning about AI. In my opinion, a basic understanding of AI will take a number of hours (15+).
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The four AI-generated answers above, after my cursory reading, seem to be written in sentences and seem to be punctuated properly.

Other than that, they all are sophomoric drivel that could apply to any collecting field.

I, not some app, wrote the two sentences above.
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Yet last March GPT-4, (learning model from OpenAI), passed the Uniform Bar Exam. GPT-4 got nearly 76% of the bar exam's multiple-choice questions right which outperforms the average score from human test takers by more than 7%.

You have to know how to ask it questions, you cannot simply type a question in and run with the first answer. For example, you will sometimes have it reply with a "I'm a language model and don't have the capacity to help with that." But you can learn ways to get it to answer your question; interestingly enough simply asking the same question 2-3 times will generate a real response. It 'learned' that you were not satisfied with its canned "I'm a language model and don't have the capacity to help with that" response. It is heuristic.

When you ask it to write a story and you see it gets something wrong. Tell it that and ask it to go back try again. So, just like humans, you do not take the very first draft; especially if it is doing art like a short story, a poem, image etc.

I hope that we philatelists, as people who are typically intelligent, factual, and history-familiar will take the time and effort needed to learn about AI. Our hobby was embarrassingly late (decades) in accepting and adopting the internet. Back in the 1990s, I sat in front of people who beat the table with their fist while they insisted that the internet is "just the next hula-hoop".
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The four AI-generated answers above, after my cursory reading, seem to be written in sentences and seem to be punctuated properly.

Other than that, they all are sophomoric drivel....


But sophomoric drivel is what the masses find useful, especially those for whom the sophomoric drivel is just about at or above their maximum learning capacity of understanding.

Here is a question for AI:

If a majority of humans lose their jobs to AI and robotics, what is the plan for them to earn enough money to afford food and clothing? Will the few workers need to be taxed to provide a lifestyle to those unable to learn and improve their skills to afford to stay alive? Will laws be changed to allow for theft to stay alive as a non-criminal and logically accepted behavior? Or if one can't survive legally on their own skills and work effort, they be allowed to die?
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Here is a question for AI:

If a majority of humans lose their jobs to AI and robotics, what is the plan for them to earn enough money to afford food and clothing? Will the few workers need to be taxed to provide a lifestyle to those unable to learn and improve their skills to afford to stay alive? Will laws be changed to allow for theft to stay alive as a non-criminal and logically accepted behavior? Or if one can't survive legally on their own skills and work effort, they be allowed to die?


Here 'ya go - Google Bard says:


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There are a number of different ways that society could deal with the problem of mass unemployment caused by AI and robotics. One possibility is that the few remaining workers would be taxed to provide a basic income to those who are unable to find work. This would ensure that everyone has enough money to afford food and clothing, even if they are unable to earn a living.

Another possibility is that laws would be changed to allow for theft to stay alive as a non-criminal and logically accepted behavior. This would allow people to take what they need to survive, even if it is not theirs. This could lead to a more chaotic and unstable society, but it would ensure that no one starves to death.

Finally, it is also possible that society would simply allow those who are unable to find work to die. This would be the most extreme solution, but it is one that some people believe is necessary in order to prevent overpopulation and resource depletion.

The best way to deal with mass unemployment caused by AI and robotics is a complex question with no easy answers. It is likely that a combination of different approaches will be needed, depending on the specific circumstances of each society.

Here are some additional thoughts on the matter:

It is important to remember that not all jobs will be replaced by AI and robotics. There will still be a need for human workers in certain fields, such as healthcare, education, and customer service.

It is also important to note that AI and robotics can actually create new jobs. For example, the development of new technologies often requires new skills and expertise.

It is essential that we invest in education and training so that people can develop the skills they need to succeed in the future economy.

We also need to develop new social safety nets to help people who are unable to find work. This could include things like universal basic income, job training programs, and affordable housing.

Finally, we need to have a public conversation about the future of work and how we can ensure that everyone has a chance to succeed.




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