My Ebay Listing Was Hijacked. Has This Happened To Others?

One of my customers stumbled across this and I was as surprised as he was. I sold this item on June 22, 2021 for $60, I wonder what people get if they buy this.

https://www.neverbest.store/detail/...mlkjddd.html




Any thoughts?

The domain is registered using Alibaba's domain registrar, so the perps are probably Chinese. Many details like the Contact Us link and privacy policy appear to be fake. The purpose of the site probably is to harvest email addresses and card details from dumb bargain hunters, who will never receive merchandise. Since Kenr2 functions to identify you as a source of goods, arguably you have trademark rights and could submit a trademark infringement complaint to Alibaba; they sometimes act but not always. Remedies are limited, China does not give US complainants equal treatment, and sites like this are unlikely to end as they help China in its trade war. It would take a lawsuit by a coalition of large US brands against Alibaba assets in the US to force a change in behavior.

Somebody likes your model of doing business , so they will try to damage your business so they can do the same type of business .

Or for consumers to wise up and stop supporting the Chinese Communist Party.

But hey, it is far easier to go to my local protest against my own country with my Chinese made phone, in my Chinese made sneakers, in my Chinese made clothes. Because, you know, we need to stop the injustices here and not anywhere else.
Don

Hmm. I see an OP complaint about a website that duplicates theirs. Then I see an answer that it is probably of Chinese Origin. Then I see an answer that a possible outcome of this is to go to a local protest against my own country because of injustices done here. Wow ... a lot of conjecture and disconnected ideas for something that is not yet proved. Some things tend to spin out of control rather quickly on this forum (and others).

I fully agree that a website hijack has occurred and harm will be done to the OP's reputation if something is not done, and soon. They may need to modify their own website to somehow state that their website is xxx and any others that look like theirs are not official, so don't do business there. Any other ideas (rather than protesting our own government) that would help the OP?

Partime
Globalism is a fact (due to the internet). CCP owning/controlling everything within their borders is a fact. CJs post is factually accurate, the listing is coming from Alibaba. And the fact that Alibaba is well known for hosting scammers/Chinese companies who knock off and take other's IP is a fact.
Have you ever had a design, innovation, patent, or other IP taken by China? I have. Many others of us have. And CJ has years of experience in his career which is related to this topic.

There is no 'other solution'. Period. Take it from people who know like CJ or anyone else who has been down this road.

There are two solutions:
1. Those who have HUGE influence (mega corporations and/r governments) doing what CJ posted
2. A grassroots consumer effort.

Don

So, what other suggestions do we have for the OP to assist with his current problem? Asking huge corporations to help them is certainly an option, but not really viable. Getting a grass-roots consumer effort going is also an option, but will definitely take a lot of time. Anything that can be done right now (today/tomorrow) to help out the OP?

In my opinion, no. Your post and my post are the same but my post included the reason why the grassroot effort has virtually zero chance of happening.

There are countless cases of China taking IP from other around the world (for decades). Part of this is cultural, in the Chinese culture taking someone else's design/idea/product is a more a compliment than a violation of international law. I think it is part of a communal perspective or belief system.

So when the world moved closer to globalization, we were faced with a giant challenge. How do you get everyone to play fair or at least be on the same page? Are we going to look to the WTO/UN/WHO international type organizations? Their track records are abysmal, I do not know many people who would place a high level of confidence for a solution coming with them.

It is possible that Ken could raise enough hell/spent enough money to make THIS immediate situation go away. But what about the next listing or the millions (no exaggeration) of other cases where the same thing is happening?

As CJ mentioned, there are some 'wins', read up on the Charlotte Pipe case back around the 2019 period. It took huge amounts of money and the US government involvement for them to finally win a 7 year+ case against China. Imagine being the 107 year old Charlotte Pipe company and having your IP, name and even branding on the product being 'reproduced' by a CCP backed company.

As you say, it is doubtful that Ken or any of us would have the resources or influence to ever fight something like this. Even the USPS does not bother chasing this stuff down, they know it is a case of 'whack-a-mole' and the issue will simply pop up with another Chinese company.
Don

Nobody does this for fun and games ......There is a reason behind it .


What is the reason ?

My guess is someone is buying a heck of a lot of stamps and found his model of business looks good and wants to muscle in .

You can dance around with laws and rules and protest but it comes down to destroying the competition .

Where on the linked ad is any indication the ad was a hijack?

Pages such as this and Amazon's lack of support after a purchase is why I stopped using Amazon after three attempts. A company in New Jersey's website was hijacked. I made an order of bulbs (as in flower) and paid closing the deal by hitting the button, click to buy. I got a bunch of mush (rotten bulbs) from China. No agricultural clearance so I turned it over to the feds. Back to my complaint to Amazon Customer Service, I was told to work it out with the company. I asked what company? I was told the company's name was "Click to Buy" didn't I see it listed? Where was that I asked? Right on the button to complete the purchase.

Amazon is dead to me.
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How about this ad , also from a Chinese company
https://www.overpleasing.website/ar...pwpuuwp.html

They didn't even bother to remove the html tags from one of Ken' original listing description when they copied and pasted to make theirs.
Don

The rhetoric about the "Chinese Communist Party" has no real validity. It's a long time since the Chinese government had any pretensions to communism. What you have is aggressive capitalism in the service of an elite, aided by the Chinese state.

The US has, of course, a long history of misuse and extraterritorial application of trade sanctions, from Cuba to Iran, so it's hardly a pin-up for multilateral action.

This doesn't reduce my sympathy for Ken, by the way.

Geoff, have to respectfully disagree there. While the Communist party that Mao/Chou En Lai envisioned has indeed evolved from the useless and impossible pure Communism they envisioned; China is still a highly socialist/totalitarian state. The state allows theft (or "aggressive capitalism" as you stated) but only when it benefits China and their state. It is still thievery.

The United States is not perfect, nor ever will be; (Nor will any country or territory with people who were created/born imperfectly, or more simply, people; who are never perfect as we are all flawed in some way) but trade sanctions on other countries versus allowing outright theft of intellectual property are two different things. Comparing the two I do not think is a valid comparison though.

Would like to rant on, but not the place to do this... Not a war hero and don't have a lot of medals, but served in the USMC for 6 years in the 90's, and even back then, China was the threat that everyone knew was the next up and coming problem. They don't play by the rules that most everyone else does, and that is troubling; both economically and militarily.

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