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UK,2 S 6 D Lilac , Sg 175 S , Stamp- Error At The Overprint ?

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Posted 05/15/2023   08:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add post_pe to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Could you please comment this 2s 6d lilac ,QV,SG 175 s ,stamp. It has a "repaired" letter S at the beginning of the inscription SPECIMEN. Is this a error made when the overprint was made or it was applied later by someone else. The colour of the "repaired " part is slightly different ,does this indicate that it's not genuine?

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Posted 05/15/2023   10:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt this is a genuine Specimen overprint.
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Posted 05/15/2023   4:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't look repaired to me, just over-inked.
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Posted 05/15/2023   4:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, just over-inked. It is a variety, but by no means an error!


Peter
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Posted 05/15/2023   5:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Real type 9 'SPECIMEN' overprints for comparison: very straight.



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Posted 05/15/2023   6:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's a type 9 specimen overprint
looks like the white paper stamp..

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Posted 05/15/2023   6:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the surface was "cleaned " of a cancel .
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Posted 05/15/2023   9:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Andyrich74 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Post Pe, Just one person's opinion here, but this looks "off." While I don't collect specimens ever; have looked at a lot of British Commonwealth stamps over the years and while I can't provide details on ink/stamps and so forth, I'm just going with the "this just does not look right" opinion.

That's not scientific, and freely admit that; just going on experience here and the fact that folks that were producing trials/proofs and so forth were generally professionals, and using professional tools, a sloppy overprint like this was unlikely.

Floortrader, think you nailed the cleaned cancel.

Just one person's opinion.
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Posted 05/16/2023   01:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 'cleaned cancel' at centre?
That is the Anchor watermark.

The very pale lilac is not uncommon and probably due to fading.
The guidelines added by Perf12 do take away concern about the 'SPECIMEN' overprint. It appeared curved. But, clearly, is not. I have never seen it this bad, but there is very little reason to assume it is not genuine.

Forging the 'SPECIMEN' overprint would be vandalism. It devalues the stamp.
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Posted 05/16/2023   03:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add post_pe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would like to thank,all participants
for there responses. I have learned a lot about this stamp.
I must apologize,for not mentioning this at first ,but the stamp has a original gum. I suppose that the gray coloring at particular areas of the stamp are probably traces of dirt .
I didn't noticed that the overprint was bending to one side when I was first posting it and could only guess why does the overprint has this rough appearance. The reason to write tath the letter S looked like it was repaired was the extra ink which can be seen at left to it . It looked me , like some one had deliberately made this by a adding it with a pen . The colour is much more diferente from the other part of the inscription ,so isn't it possible we are seeing a artistic exercise as suggested by NSK or it's just a random occurrence ?

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Posted 05/16/2023   04:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From the quality of the overprint, I am not fully convinced it is genuine. On the other hand, there are no clear indications it is a fake. If it is, the typeface is a very good match. On balance, I think it is genuine.
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Posted 05/16/2023   05:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add antoin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hello
I feel like the letters were drawn one by one.
The S is ugly, it must have been so bad that the author preferred to stain it, perhaps also to hide the traces of a cancellation.
The base of the P is curved, and is not aligned with the base of the E. Etc. to the dreadful N with a stain as base and the slash of variable thicknest.
For me no doubt it's a gross fake.
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Posted 05/16/2023   05:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@post_pe, can you zoom in on the 'EN' at the end of 'SPECIMEN'?

What might be going on is that it is a very faded genuine overprint that someone tried to 'upgrade' by drawing over it.

It would be helpful if those who see a removed cancel can indicate where they see it.
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Posted 05/16/2023   09:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add post_pe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Of course, here is a closeup images of the "EN"section . I also can't see any traces of cancel . I have in my photo archive a French Ceres stamp with a similar case of drawings on it. I'm going to search for it and if I find the photo I will post a image of it too.

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Posted 05/16/2023   10:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks strange, but I cannot say it is evident someone traced the faded overprinted with a pen. There are two overprints, but one has faded far more than the other. Ignoring the condition of the stamp, I would avoid this stamp as being 'suspicious.' But I still cannot say with certainty the overprint is a forgery.
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Posted 05/16/2023   10:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When I said it was clean and washed out to remove the cancel ,I speak with a lot of experience and my collection here shows that I know the stamp well . If you have experience please show your stamp ,so new readers and collectors can see your stuff .
. Where did this very pale shade discussion come from ?

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