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Western Australia Red Swan Four Pence

 
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Posted 05/20/2023   04:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add antoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi
This 4 pence red or carmine swann has a perforation of 14 and is patterned as shape 1 in SG Western Australia. Perf 14


Its watermark is strange, it looks like matter is solidified inside. We see a type 34 crown but without the A and with two circles below.


I hesitate between N 74, 78, 105 at SG.
What do you think?
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Edited by antoin - 05/20/2023 04:52 am

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Posted 05/20/2023   05:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Antoin,

Watermark Crown over CC, this is an SG 74.

Rod will hopefully confirm the postmark is from Perth.

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Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 05/20/2023 05:06 am
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Posted 05/20/2023   07:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add antoin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Merci beaucoup Bobby Delarue
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Posted 05/20/2023   08:17 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Antoin,
The stamp is a forgery.
The design is wrong (see below), it has a fake watermark and fake postmark.
Many differences can be seen when compared to a genuine four pence (SG56):
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https://www.fairdinkumstamps.com Fair Dinkum Stamps - Specialising in stamps from early Australia and the colonies, Australian philatelic literature, catalogues, stockbooks and accessories.
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Posted 05/20/2023   09:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add antoin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for this information Fairdinkum; I thought its watermark was weird. Sometimes you can see the watermark but it is in grey. I didn't know there were watermark forgers. In France we are not used with watermarks.

The design is false : The swan's crop is different. By superimposing the 2 images we could see all the differences.

The apotheosis is in the false obliteration, are the stripes upside down?
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Posted 05/20/2023   5:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well spotted FDS

Which begs the question, who is responsible for the forgery?
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Posted 05/20/2023   7:17 pm  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
By superimposing the 2 images we could see all the differences.


Apart from different swan, the decorations in the corners are very different, the background detail is different (random dots vs clear pattern) and the lettering is different.

Pretty much everything

Bobby De La Rue, I don't have the Mavis Pope book on 'Stamp Forgeries of Western Australia' but the website below attributes the forgery to either Angelo Panelli or Erasmo Oneglia (since Panelli was known to sell Oneglia's forgeries).

Click on the image of the forgery shown at the bottom of this page for an enlarged view:
http://catalogue.klaseboer.com/vol1.../panelli.htm
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https://www.fairdinkumstamps.com Fair Dinkum Stamps - Specialising in stamps from early Australia and the colonies, Australian philatelic literature, catalogues, stockbooks and accessories.
Edited by fairdinkumstamps - 05/20/2023 7:30 pm
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Posted 05/20/2023   8:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks fairdinkumstamps
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