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Garage Sale Find Possible 1922 Roosevelt Perforated Error?

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Posted 05/29/2023   4:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Ayojknow to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
hi everyone I am 2 days new to the stamp hobby, it started a couple days ago when I came across this binder of stamps that I bought for 5 dollars. I was researching to see if there was any valuable stamps and came across this 1922 Roosevelt stamp... im not sure if its an error or not but what I have read, it seems to be an error with the perforation on the top and bottom of the stamp, may I have anybody's opinion and/or help with this? Thank you so much.




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Posted 05/29/2023   4:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Him Ayojknow, and welcome to the forum. What makes you think this is a perforation error?


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Posted 05/29/2023   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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but what I have read

What exactly have you read?
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Posted 05/29/2023   5:07 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do you mean the fact that it's badly centred (as are the others on the album page)? If so, that's a drawback, rather than an indication of rarity.
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Posted 05/29/2023   5:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In case this is about centering. Taken from Mystic just as a starter. Opinions vary.


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Posted 05/29/2023   6:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't get hung-up on value. Very few stamps are worth more than $1. Most are worth a penny of two at best.

Don't believe IDs or mounting placement from previous owners (In this case your 5 cent stamp is in the incorrect place. To send you in the correct direction, it is a Scott catalog # 586, which is perforated on each side at a rate of 10 holes per 2 centimeters, commonly referred to as "perf 10".)

There are often one or more look-alikes to the stamps you have - differing by some small facet which make a significant value difference. There is a good chance the other stamps on the page you show are mounting in the incorrect space.

Don't believe everything you read online. Sites like ebay can be great sources of information AND disinformation.

Rare stamps are just that. Rare. The odds are extremely long of finding something of significant value in a $5 garage sale lot.

The "Antiques Roadshow mantra applies: Beyond the basic commonness or rarity, "Everything is condition, condition, condition". Just like coins and baseball cards in many ways

Ask us lots of questions, remembering the more you tell us, the more we can be directly helpful. (Thus the importance of knowing where you read the 5 cent stamp might be valuable so we can help you interpret it properly or guide you to a better resource.)

Invest in the basic tools to get the most enjoyment: tongs, perforation gauge, watermark tray & fluid.
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Posted 05/29/2023   6:46 pm  Show Profile Check Uknjay's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Uknjay to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ayojknow,

Welcome to the hobby. It can be rewarding overtime. The enjoyment of collecting a small work of art you can hold in your hand. As it was mentioned most stamps are worth very little in used and only face in unused mint condition. So it is an affordable hobby. They are prices of some stamps that are very high. If you learn about stamps you can buy them for an investment as good one will always be worth something. You can cherry pick valuable stamps at times and buy them cheap. That is part of the fun of collecting. I hope you continue collecting and hope you have many enjoyable hours.
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Posted 05/29/2023   7:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ayojknow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What I've read was that this error was pertaining to the perforations.
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Posted 05/29/2023   7:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is a perforation 11 type stamp and a perforation 10 type stamp. Neither are errors.
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Posted 05/29/2023   9:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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What I've read was that this error was pertaining to the perforations.

This isn't helpful. What did you read, exactly? Can you cite it, offer a link, or take a picture of the pertinent text?
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Posted 05/29/2023   11:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ayojknow, what I can see in your image are 2 main things. First, the stamp is poorly centered, meaning the design printed on the stamp has quite unequal white margins around it. Redwoodrandy has provided a very useful chart showing the terms collectors use for various types of centering. Notice that your stamp has the perforations cutting into the top part of the printed design, meaning that it grades VG (very good) in Randy's chart. This is not an error- it could only be called an error if the design is much further off-center than what you see. MUCH further.

The second thing I see is what appears to be a stamp hinge visible underneath the top edge of the stamp. If you are not sure what a stamp hinge is, please google it. Certainly not an error- just a small piece of something akin to wax paper that holds the stamp in place.

Lastly, the top and bottom of your stamp both have 10 perforation tips, which means both top and bottom were perforated equally. Normal; not an error.
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Posted 05/29/2023   11:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What I suspect the original poster has found in the literature or online ....

The valuable variety of the 5 cent Roosevelt design is Scott 557c, which is perf 10 at top or bottom variety. Many collectors are confused by this and only "see" the perf 10 part and the money, match a top or bottom to their stamp, ignore the sides and assume they must have the valuable variety. What they miss is the basic 557 stamp must be perf 11 on 3 sides and then perf 10 on either the top or bottom, the result of a replaced portion of a perforation wheel.

As already noted, the stamp shown above is perf 10 an ALL sides, thus a Scott 586.
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Posted 05/30/2023   12:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, I get it now. Not a U.S. collector but I like learning.
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Posted 05/30/2023   04:11 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In my opinion, is likely another case coming from the same website we repeatedly hear about; it shows rarities and high value varieties with each stamp. Unfortunately, the site provides very little information in terms of setting expectations on how unlikely it is to ever find one of these rare varieties. The same site also has no educational content on IDing stamps using perforations, watermarks, or even an overview of the steps a person should take in determining stamps.
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Posted 05/30/2023   11:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ayojknow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well thanks for your opinion everyone, I appreciate your time and input
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