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Hello everyone! I have this #17 and have three questions about it. 1. What are the brown lines that form a "X" in the oval? Is that a pen cancel? 2. Is the extremely thin inner frame line (see closeup) a characteristic of a specific position? 3. Is the cancel (not the brown X) genuine? I think so, but just want a confirmation. Thanks in advance, CS   |
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My thoughts!
1) that is a pen cancellation - x
2 It probably is from a specifc location, but the line also coincides with the
outside frame line of the oval. Possibly a little underinked or scuffed off?
3) Seven concentric round rings. A very common cancel .
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| Edited by No1philatelist - 03/18/2025 11:27 pm |
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Thanks! For the pen cancel, does it means someone have been trying to erase the pen cancellation to reuse the stamp? And because it has been reused, it has been cancelled again with the seven concentric round rings? |
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I believe the pen cancel was done after the ring cancel and a stamp dealer or collector lightened it because it went right through the face and was not helpful to the desirability of the stamp. |
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believe the pen cancel was done after the ring cancel Why after and not before? Could you please explain me?  |
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My first thought is, "does it really matter." My second thought is that removing the pen cancellation that was covered by the ring cancellation would be really, really hard. |
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The stamp is a common red lilac shade. The target cancel is genuine. The light area you mention is not a marker I'm familiar with. |
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My first thought is, "does it really matter." That's true. Quote:
My second thought is that removing the pen cancellation that was covered by the ring cancellation would be really, really hard. I think too! Thanks, partime! Thank you for the help, archerg! I appreciate it. |
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your 10c may be pos. 79 when you look at the mark in the lower left X, un the upper leg of the X. That mark is mentioned in Withworth, and referenced in Scott robinson flyspecker site, called the X flaw. see ( https://flyspecker.com/16-17.html |
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| Edited by Gilles le timbre - 03/20/2025 3:43 pm |
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"Plating The 10c Prince Consort Scott #17" by Keneth A. Kershaw is a nice book for plating these stamps.
Best regards, Mike |
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I said the pen cancel was on top of the ring cancel. If you look closely, especially at the lower left pen cancel leg where it crosses the rings you can clearly see the pen on top. |
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https://flyspecker.com/16-17.html Same extra ) Gilles. I think Captain Stamp has it right when he said "Why after and not before?" I think that the color of the pen cancel did not stand out well and was canceled again, with darker ink. |
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| Edited by littleriverphil - 03/20/2025 10:52 am |
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I think that the color of the pen cancel did not stand out well and was canceled again, with darker ink. Cancelled again with another pen or with the ring cancel? Probably the ring cancel, right? Quote:
I said the pen cancel was on top of the ring cancel. If you look closely, especially at the lower left pen cancel leg where it crosses the rings you can clearly see the pen on top. That looks like a little but it would be more logic that the ring cancel appeared after, I think. Right? watermark, thanks for the book advice! I looked again at the "X" flaw variety and I think mine is. |
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I quit trying to figure out the order of cancels on off-cover stamps years ago, as its often much more difficult to determine than one might think at first.
When you have a whole cover, and you can construct a story about what happened to the cover, then its often quite easy to determine the order of cancels that way. |
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