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Posted 09/17/2010   4:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Edwin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I've heard talk of red pennies. I'm working on some early GB, and found these with different letters on them.

I seem to remember some talk about random letters on these and people would collect their initals? what this that stamp?

anyway, thought I'd share these while I try to figure them out...

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Posted 09/17/2010   5:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Edwin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The top left I think is a #33, the middle top I thinks is a #3,

However, the top Right is an Imperf on bluish paper (more so backside, and I don't believe the blue is from card stock) didn't really pick up in scan...
having a problem finding that one.

Note: the blue (two pence) is a #30 Plate block #15
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Edited by Edwin - 09/17/2010 5:41 pm
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Posted 09/17/2010   6:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ldhaber to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Edwin,

On Penny Reds, the letters in the corners are not random, they denote the position the stamp had on the plate (this was done as a security device), much like the Penny Black.

For Penny Reds, there are also letters in the upper corners in addition to the bottom corners. You'll note these (upper letters) are in the reverse order of the lower corners. Again a security device. Apparently there were naughty people who cut stamps in half and pasted the halves that were not marked by a cancellation mark together. This approach to the letters was intended to defeat that strategy.

Some people who collect Penny Reds can thereafter recreate the entire plate or could even do a deal on their own personal initials. I vaguely recalled that perhaps Richard Frajola did an extensive exhibit on his initials, "RF". Having checked, see http://www.rfrajola.com/gbrf/gbrf.htm

Hope that helps,

Larry
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Posted 09/17/2010   6:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Edwin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
zooming in on one set second row, found these, I believe they are #49 A17
number in circle on sides I believe are the plate blocks? they are #7 & #10 a new high value for me $57.50, and $100 (althought the one is damaged in corner.

any one agree with these ID's



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Edited by Edwin - 09/17/2010 6:03 pm
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Posted 09/17/2010   7:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Edwin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ok, I found them all EXCEPT, the bottom row.

the 1/2 penny's


FOUND: Australia, Victoria 1 penny I can't find are they a colonies or something? Rod, wake up I needed ya!
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Edited by Edwin - 09/17/2010 8:12 pm
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Posted 09/17/2010   9:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sbssdjghfkutsa!$#@8&!

Whaaaaa vcsj,vVKCSC!

uH! oK

The LHS is
GB SG0048 (1870) T7 0.5d portrait qv
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(I think the postmark 447=Leicester)

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The middle is a GB Postal Stationery Cut out

The RHS is a GB Wrapper cut out.

Hope that's what you wanted
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Edited by rod222 - 09/17/2010 10:04 pm
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Posted 09/17/2010   9:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

PS Edwin,
broadcasting my nerdy geekiness,
If I were you I would soak off all the selvedge Hinges,

They may join up to be an interesting piece of selvedge

(Told you I was nuts)


Your wrapper is normally like this,
(before it was hung, drawn and quartered)
unfortunately the Scissor Bandit mutilated your wrapper
it may have been of interest as it doesn't
seem to have a "printed matter" postmark





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Edited by rod222 - 09/17/2010 9:57 pm
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Posted 09/17/2010   9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rod good point..
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Posted 09/17/2010   9:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you SV.
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Posted 09/17/2010   10:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Edwin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OMG, Rod... put 40+ year old salvage used for hinges back together? you are nuts there are not enough minutes in a day for that, I just spent the better part of 8 hrs on just 2 pages of early GB... pulled most of my hair out today with all the variations I actually got out my perf/ millimeter gauge thingy and tried to learn how to use it.

it was some serious work today for a newbie like myself! I racked up over $400 in catalog values, so it was really fun to finally catch a break up to today it was always min value...


PS, if your not careful you'll get an envelope full of salvage bits...
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Posted 09/17/2010   10:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Edwin,
It is only natural to be in a hurry as a newbie,
it's exciting stuff.
After a while you will realise there is no "end" to philately
It's as broad and diverse as the milky way.

Then you just settle down and enjoy the journey. :)
There's no need to hurry, just stop and smell the roses.
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Posted 09/17/2010   10:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

From eBay.

Aaaaaah.
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Posted 09/17/2010   10:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Edwin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
those smell good, (deep breath, relaxing...)
its not the slowing down, I'm afraid of the piles to come that will overwhelm me.. lol...

Rod,

you make short work out of my 8 hrs sweat... so top right one penny, Imperf, bluish backing,my guess its a version of one of the 1854/1855's how do you tell if something is reingraved

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Posted 09/17/2010   10:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great old stamps Edwin. Thanks for posting.
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Posted 09/18/2010   12:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Edwin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod, I did piece a few of those bits together because I can't stand unanswered mysteries, they are salvage and parts of TB Tuberculosis (Christmas?) stamps.
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Posted 09/18/2010   12:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bummer
Oh well.

498= Maidstone Kent

I am not an expert on GB, I am an expert on trivia only
best to ask Collin, khj, Nigel or a host of other experts here.

A few pointers first.
These are very intricate issues, and for appraisal you need
very sharp, top of the scale scans, blurry examples
just don't cut it.

My call, guess at best is blued red brown issue 1d qv
The die is indeterminable, because the mouth is not evident

The difference between die 1 and die 2, is due to the fact that
the Queen's head (by Heath) was re engraved by william humphreys,
the lips become fuller (although not so beautiful)
and she appears to "pout"

The scan does not offer anything else I can add.

The more knowledgeable in the group will surely assist here.

PS A very nice nosegay Puzzler!

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Edited by rod222 - 09/18/2010 01:03 am
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