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Canada Nr.104 Possible New Constant Variety.

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Posted 03/24/2025   9:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add hornet785 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi,

That is a nice prospect. Quotation marks under E of CENT. This flaw was present before january 1914 and after (If we look at the bottom of the stamp). May be longue or short lived.

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Posted 03/28/2025   3:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It certainly looks like a constant flaw to me. Congratulations!

I assume they're both booklet stamps from the pane of six first issued in 1913: one from the lower row of three, the other from the upper. But do the perforations (trimmed or torn) on the other three sides of the stamps indicate where they were positioned horizontally in the pane - left, centre or right?

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Posted 03/31/2025   07:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi pjr,

They are from sheet. The left stamp has bottom straight edge. Story short, starting January 1914, sheets were guillotined to separate them from Pans (Four sheets of 100. Some plates of the Nr.104 have only 200). Stamps around the sheet have straight edges. So stamp on the left is from position 92-99 of a sheet (Position 91 and 100 have straight edges on two sides)

Stamp on the right have perf on four side.

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Posted 04/06/2025   6:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the explanation! But now I'm wondering how such a variety (surely a result of random minor damage) can appear exactly the same in two different positions in the plate.

Is the plate constructed from clichés that have been rearranged after a repair? - I know that happens with some Scandinavian stamps, but they're not recess-printed.

Or is it a flaw in the die - but if so why isn't it frequent enough to have been detected earlier?

Please continue to enlighten my ignorance!
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Posted 04/06/2025   6:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Captain Stamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good question, pjr! I'm wondering too. Please feed us with amazing information, hornet785!
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Posted 04/06/2025   8:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

No, 91-99 (Made a typo for 92) means from one of these because of the straight edge at the bottom of one of the two stamps. So we do not know. Need the plate and need the sheet. Stamp is from Upper left 91-99 or upper right 92-100. As per diagram below:

https://bnaps.org/ore/VanSomeren-Ad...ightEdge.htm

One is from pre mid january 1914. I do not know the number of plate but it is a huge amount.

Hornet
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Posted 04/06/2025   8:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Captain Stamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link! It's really interesting and useful!
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Posted 04/08/2025   5:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Captain Stamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello again, hornet785.

You should email an expert of the Flyspecker website. You have a proof that this constant variety is a real one, because you have two stamps with the "dots". The people who are working on this website would be certainly happy to add this variety to their website.
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Posted 04/12/2025   12:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think I understand now. In short, the plates were modified in 1914, so that stamps from the same position exist both perforated and guillotined. I'm familiar with similar phenomena in GB stamps before and after 1880 with and without "wing margins", so I ought to have been able to work it out for myself.

So now you need to find some blocks!
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Posted 04/19/2025   09:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Third one...

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Posted 04/19/2025   5:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Captain Stamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
YAY!
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Posted 04/27/2025   11:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

And.. Fourth one.

Out of 45 000 Nr.104... 1500 to go. The previous one is a 1912 stamp.

Hornet



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Edited by hornet785 - 04/27/2025 11:51 am
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Posted 04/27/2025   1:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add studystamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Love it.

About 5 years ago I went through thousands of used copies of the 8c Centennial stamp looking for the "Extra Spire" variety and found several (one about every 5,000 stamps or so).

You are finding an example of the Admiral variety in about every 11-12,000! I'm sure it is quite a thrill to find each one.

Robin
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Posted 04/27/2025   9:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Robin,

While reading your post I found a fifth one, Now we have a location Montréal. Dated 1912 with Perfin C11, CCR. CANADIAN CONSOLIDATED RUBBER CO.

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Posted 04/27/2025   10:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Captain Stamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
While reading your post I found a fifth one, Now we have a location Montréal. Dated 1912 with Perfin C11, CCR. CANADIAN CONSOLIDATED RUBBER CO.


Yay! I guess it's not extremely rare, so that's surprising nobody already talked about that variety.

It'd be nice to find a clue to prove the position of this variety. Maybe one day! Just have to wait... and open the eyes.
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Posted 04/28/2025   07:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi CaptainStamp,

The plates were not distributed equally across Canada. So it happen that Montréal received a part of this particular one. My stamps are from Commercial Mail. I have a lot of Perfin. These stamps are from inventory of an old dealer from the 1930s in Montréal. Stamps are from Local Mail and also incoming from Québec Province and other region in Canada. 90% are Montréal Local.

I'm just lucky to have these.

Hornet
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