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Posted 11/03/2016   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys...Was reading some literature from Maler Admiral Stamps in the 2014 BNA journal.

He recognized constants that were NOT recognized in Unitrade..He stated that the 1 cent Admiral stamps had bottom left numeral box constants...He call them 2 (R26) and four (R27) line breaks.

Below is an example of 2 line break I found in my stock book...






Examples of 4 line break (could only find 3) are shown below from my stock book.







Now there is one more variety I have found to be constant...Bottom left hand side of left numeral box as shown below...Lets call it R28


There is one more constant with the Admiral stamps..I noticed some stamps had a frame break in bottom right hand side of left numeral bow..Lets call it R29.




Another interesting fact is that when people post shades of Admiral stamps from this era, they explain away that it is normal fading do to sun, light etc...This is NOT completely true, remember the first World War had a shortage of steel for the rollers, BUT also pigments from Europe to make ink was not available..They had to make do with what they had, trying to duplicate colours on re runs.

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Posted 11/03/2016   11:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting. I have lots of these stamps to go through to validate your findings. Thanks for posting!
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Posted 11/03/2016   11:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found these examples in my collection. The LL Block versions are similar to yours.





Here is a version that you count (3), but maybe the one in the lower right part is number 4?



Lastly, here are some similar styles on the RIGHT Lower block. Maybe there is something there also?



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Posted 11/04/2016   12:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Partime...Great work..You have found them as well...I am posting below some more block breaks associated with Scott 112 stamps.

I have sent an email to William W. Radcliffe at BNAPS to ask his opinion also...I think even if Unitrade or any other groups will not classify them as varieties, at least assign a TYPE number to them as our American friends do with some of their stamps.

Here are the frame breaks I have found to be constant with regards to 5 cent (Scott 112)





I may be barking up a dead tree, but any opinions will be appreciated.

Robert
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Posted 11/04/2016   1:30 pm  Show Profile Check Petert4522's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert, nice work. However, I still stand by my original opinion about these - they are minor varieties and no reason to be in a general catalog. I think you ought to publish your own variety catalog!
I agree with you on one point, it is really necessary to have this sort of thing published somehow just to keep interest going or to get it started! Have you considered writing an article?

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Posted 11/04/2016   1:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting posting Wert

I know I have examples of these varieties too. I also have a few 1000 Admirals to check, once I get all my duplicates of other countries into '102 cards' or on to approval sheets, if I get the time haha.

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Posted 11/04/2016   1:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Found on my 1 cent........3 line break ?
Thanks Robert for your always interesting posts
My 5 cent Scott 111 (dp bl)has same break as yours, FYI

Rene

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Posted 11/04/2016   2:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Have you considered writing an article?


Peter..I am no expert and finding out who to send an article to is frustrating, and high class organizations would probably not take me serious any way.


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Found on my 1 cent........3 line break ?


Good work Rene...good find.

Sent an email to BNAPS, but think they probably will not reply..They have better things to do than to listen to a rookie stamp collector....Just posted to let people know there are other possibilities out there...So, I will just move on to the next post..Thanks guys for your interest.

Robert
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Posted 11/04/2016   3:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Keep posting Robert.....very interesting and our great Country too.....
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Posted 11/04/2016   4:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rene..good to hear from an east coaster....

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Posted 11/04/2016   5:35 pm  Show Profile Check Petert4522's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert, one reason for me to push you on publishing is that I have a very specialized collection of (very) minor varieties. And I am as well as you are sometimes because there are so few ways to let others know what is around. One way for us is this forum. So please keep posting!

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Posted 11/05/2016   10:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Haven't even heard back from BNAPS, well didn't figure I would.

Peter...You recognize the importance of identifying Admiral TYPE stamps, so I will do a mini write up and email it to you when I have something to show..

Robert
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Posted 11/06/2016   09:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjung to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wert,

You should organize, write-up and send these to the Chairman or Editor of the BNAPS Study Group that studes your material.

In this case, you have written up information on the Admirals and there is an Admirals Study Group. If you take what you wrote here with the images and put that in a Word document and sent it to Andrew or Leo, I am 100% sure they will respond. The leaders of the BNAPS Study Groups are always looking for material like this.

All you have to do now is copy and paste ...

Here is the link to the BNAPS Study Groups.

http://www.bnaps.org/study.php


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Posted 11/06/2016   5:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jjmclell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Marler's book on the Admirals is a great reference for anyone studying these stamps. On the 1c green, there are also a number of constant states of the lower left 'junction line', the outer line of the oval that meets with the frame. The line that runs down the top right side of stamp, just inside the thick frame line also shows in different states and is a good spot to check for retouches. Marler does a great job of 'typing' all these different mini-varieties and if you have a hoard of Admirals lying around, you can spend days and weeks trying to type them out according to his descriptions.
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Posted 11/07/2016   5:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peter..I have just been advised that it is not a good idea to assign types for these frame breaks..Soon as I get time, I will email you my write up for your personal viewing..

Peter..email me so I can get your email.

Robert
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Just bringing this post back because I was looking at some old stamp literature and came across this article..To my surprise it was what I was trying to get across to everyone..

Found in BNA Topics book Volume 7 Number 3

They are caused by metal break from the transfer roller...cool

Did not get a reply from BNAPS, but found the information myself.

Maybe some one should do a write up on this oddity.

Robert


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