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Posted 10/12/2017   6:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add revenuermd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
I recently purchased a stamp for the cancel and when it arrived it had a substantial thin. When I questioned the owner I got the following response (in part):

"...when a stamp that is inexpensive and sold for the merit of the cancel, a condition that is only seen on the reverse is usually not described and of little consequence."

I would be curious how others might react to this response.
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Posted 10/12/2017   6:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Everything about a stamps condition is important to me in deciding whether I will purchase or not and in determining price.
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Posted 10/12/2017   6:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The seller is either ignorant, or he/she is dishonest.
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Posted 10/12/2017   6:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
"...when a stamp that is inexpensive and sold for the merit of the cancel, a condition that is only seen on the reverse is usually not described and of little consequence."


A fault is still a fault, on everything, even if it has a shiny coat of paint on it.

The thin should have been mentioned.

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Posted 10/12/2017   7:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Complete rubbish. If it's of no consequence, why not disclose the fault in the spirit of full disclosure? If it really doesn't matter, then there will be no problem selling it.
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Posted 10/12/2017   7:27 pm  Show Profile Check BeeSee's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Complete BS. The full condition of the stamp should be described (or shown). It does not matter how inexpensive the stamp is.
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Posted 10/12/2017   7:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The response by the seller is total "b.s." I go with dishonest.
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Posted 10/12/2017   7:42 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had Michael Aldrich tell me the same thing when I returned items from his auctions due to undisclosed faults: "Cancel collectors don't care about faults."

The **** they don't!

I will indeed buy faulty items if they have cancels, plate varieties, or other aspects I am interested in... HOWEVER, I factor the severity of the faults into what I am willing to pay.

Anyone trumpeting that line of **** has no ethics.
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Posted 10/12/2017   9:53 pm  Show Profile Check Petert4522's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Would it do any good to report this to tha ASDA?

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Posted 10/13/2017   12:02 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've been told the same thing about plate varieties with condition issues. In fact, my pointing out of a major defect on a stamp was publicly ridiculed and broadcasted over SAN. It is total BS. When all else is equal, a sound stamp will sell for more than a defective stamp every time. It's no more complicated than that.
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Posted 10/13/2017   05:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's a commonly held view, and I've even seen it from some auctioneers, though in fairness they disclose at the head of the section that they don't call faults on the cancels.

Commonly held or not, I agree it should be disclosed or the policy stated.
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Posted 10/13/2017   06:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rustyc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ditto to what everyone has said above. The seller deserves negative feedback that includes a warning to prospective buyers.
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Posted 10/13/2017   06:59 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ethically this is lame in my opinion.

Legally, any terms and conditions must be communicated before the transaction is done; adding/changing terms and conditions after the transaction is complete is against the law (at least in the state and country I live in).
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Posted 10/14/2017   10:14 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
agree with paperhistory (although commonly held may be overstating it)
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Posted 10/14/2017   10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually it is a fairly common opinion. Like most philatelic areas, the scarcer the variety or cancel is, the less the back matters, but it always means something and should always be disclosed.
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Posted 10/16/2017   09:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ericjackson to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Faults do matter and must always be disclosed. To ignore this fact is asking for trouble and who needs that.
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