Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Stamp Community Forum
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some stamps?
Our stamp forum is completely free! Register Now!

Defining the Classic Era of Stamp Collecting  
 

Next Page    
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic
Page: of 3
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
4427 Posts
Posted 10/12/2017   9:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add kirks to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
I've noticed that a lot of new members don't understand the distinction between the U.S Classic and U.S Modern areas of the forum. That's OK. They're new and they will learn in time. We all did.

But that led to me questioning my own definition:

I think of the Classic Era as 1840-1940, the first 100 years, and Modern Era as anything after that.

I am aware that other people vary the end date forward to 1950 or even 1970 (for Commonwealth issues).

So, I'm interested in your opinion. What date do you consider to be the end of the Classic Era?

KirkS

Send note to Staff

Pillar Of The Community
United States
4095 Posts
Posted 10/12/2017   9:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Classic used to be up to 1900. At this point it might be 1920, but not later. Of course there are collectors who think the classic era ended as soon as perforations made their appearance.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
936 Posts
Posted 10/12/2017   9:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would say the classic era of U.S. stamps ended with the 1901-1902 definitive series. After that, U.S. stamps more and more were produced to cater to collectors. Mint stamps from the 1930s are being used as postage today as a result of over-production and hoarding.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
818 Posts
Posted 10/12/2017   9:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For Commonwealth, I think of the classic period ended in 1936 though one could argue to extend that period to 1952. Folks who consider themselves collectors of classic Commonwealth often do not bother with KGVI (too modern!), much less QE2. Kind of the way George Holschauer defines his market focus.

For QE2, there is a bias with most dealers towards the recess-printed issues that mostly ended by 1960. I guess this is catering to the marketplace, which of course is a good strategy. But I agree with Kirks that QE2 collecting (including catalog coverage) should cover up to at least 1970 and perhaps even 1980 as many definitives from this period were reprinted with multiple perf and watermark varieties. I miss the days of the SG Elizabethan catalogs, dormant since I believe about 1985, which had TONS of info about printings and shades. Some definitive values were reprinted a dozen or more times but this info is no longer updated.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by shermae - 10/13/2017 12:10 am
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1116 Posts
Posted 10/12/2017   10:21 pm  Show Profile Check Stamps1962's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Stamps1962 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not thought this out much but it would seem to be that the Classic era would end about 1920 with the end of the Washington-Franklin series.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
697 Posts
Posted 10/12/2017   10:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting that opinions can vary so much. For me the classic era of US stamps ended with #218. I (at age 64) cannot conceive of Washington-Franklin heads as "classics." I guess it depends largely on one's philatelic "point of origin" in time (for me, the early 1960's).
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by dudley - 10/12/2017 11:03 pm
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
1280 Posts
Posted 10/12/2017   11:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How do the Stamp catalogues parse the "classic" vs "modern" question?


Scott Classic 1840-1940 catalogue
For World-Wide: Up to 1940
For British Commonwealth: Up to 1952



Yvert & Tellier Classiques du Monde 1840-1940 catalogue
For World-Wide: Up to 1940



Yvert & Tellier Les Semi-Moderns catalogue
Les timbres du Monde 1941-1960
Volume 1: Aden-Luxembourg



Yvert & Tellier Les Semi-Moderns catalogue
Les timbres du Monde 1941-1960
Volume 2: Macao-Zanzibar



Stanley Gibbons Commonwealth & British Empire Stamps 1840-1970 Catalogue

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Classical era collecting with the Blues
http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.com/
Pillar Of The Community
United States
818 Posts
Posted 10/13/2017   12:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The pictured SG catalogue is not intended to be a "classic" catalogue. It's simply a catalogue of Commonwealth.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
2940 Posts
Posted 10/13/2017   12:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The classic period would be 1840 to 1940 .Scott catalog needs to make a "Golden Age" catalog for 1941 to 1970. Everything after 1970 can be published only on a CD.
We reached a point the stamp catalogs gotten too big and too expensive. A change is coming but what it will be is a guess right now .
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
173 Posts
Posted 10/13/2017   12:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ananthveerappan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In my perspective:

US Classics : 1840-1935 (Farleys are 100% classics ).

British CommonWealth - until KGVI (I collect mostly India and Canada in this segment, if that matters.)

France: Until 1931 - Peace and Olive Series.. The rest appears to be boring thereafter..

For Rest of the world - until 1940... I use a 1941 Edition Junior Scott International for these.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
723 Posts
Posted 10/13/2017   12:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The definition of "Classique" vs "Modern" changes based on how Catalog Marketing Managers decide to segment and market a catalog. The Catalogs define the marketplace.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Finland
642 Posts
Posted 10/13/2017   02:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Usually I refer anything up to 1940/52 as classics to avoid confusion/contradiction with catalogs and other folks. But personally I'd go with following classification:

Classic era 1840 – 1899
Golden era 1900 – 1940
Silver era 1941 – 1959
Bronze era 1960 – 1969
Modern era 1970 – 1999
Ultramodern era 2000-2016

-k-
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Collecting the world 1840 to date one stamp at a time.
Author & owner of Stamp Collecting Blog
Edited by scb - 10/13/2017 02:03 am
Valued Member
United States
63 Posts
Posted 10/13/2017   02:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dry Tech to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My personal U.S. classics period for singles ends at 404, for sheets, plate blocks 620. Airmail C22.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Denmark
384 Posts
Posted 10/13/2017   02:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicalStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For me, the true classic period is 1840-1870 - often referred to the "age of innocence". Before postal authorities started to speculate in milking collectors.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United Kingdom
2441 Posts
Posted 10/13/2017   03:01 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The true "classic" period is,as Classical Stamps says, up to 1870. At a pinch, 1900 might work. Extending it to include middle-period stamps is simply marketing by catalogue manufacturers - how many copies of an 1840-70 or 1840-1900 catalogue could they sell?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
4427 Posts
Posted 10/13/2017   08:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kirks to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting answers.

I'm not surprised by 1940, 1952, or 1970. I am very surprised by 1870 and 1900. Wow. I didn't think anyone ended 'classic' that early.

Good info. Thanks for all the responses. Any more?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Page: of 3 Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Next Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
United States Postal Service, Now on eBay!United States Postal Service, Now on eBay!
New Forum TopicsRecently Active Forum Topics
  Nice surprize-- 1c 1857, 23L7, Nice Curl in Head
  "Me" on eBay malfunctioning?
  My grandfather's collection
  South Dakota 1947 transportaion stamp
  1c 1851 Plate 1-Early Stamps
  Great Britain 1870 1/2p - Help identifying plate number
  A new level of absurdity. A 2 cent Washington "Red Line" that doesn't even have Washington on it.
  Japanese stamp - maybe not postage?
  Australia 1186 vs 1186a
  Washington 5 Cent blue
  Great Britain 1865-67 6d Plate 5 - Strange Watermark?
  Oct. 20 QUIZ: How Is Your Eye for Detail?
  Did USPS cut stamps to "show off selvage"?
  Columbian Page with #230-238
  Creatively redefining the term "Major Vignette Shift."
  Do you think that this movie prop cover is real?
  Wish I had this much optimistic wishful thinking
  I found a Scott #544 on a postcard!
  1941 Sun-Yat-Sen triple error misprints from Hong Kong
  Found Stamp in old Japanese Book. Please help to identify
  1870's three cent green....mark and color ?
  1870's Fifteen cent ... secret mark?
  237: double impression, kiss print, or just really crappy printing?
  U349a? It looks OK but does anyone have any ideas?
  Identifying manila paper and color question

  U349a? It looks OK but does anyone have any ideas?
  Australia 1186 vs 1186a
  My grandfather's collection
  Has Anyone Dealt with Status International
  Examples of Scrip Certificates
  Identifying manila paper and color question
  1765 stamp act revenue stamps
  I found a Scott #544 on a postcard!
  Do you think that this movie prop cover is real?
  Stamp Collecting, The News Of It's Death Are Greatly Exaggerated.
  Did USPS cut stamps to "show off selvage"?
  South Dakota 1947 transportaion stamp
  Anyone collect Postal Cards?
  Nice surprize-- 1c 1857, 23L7, Nice Curl in Head
  France 1966 Coat of arms Saint-Lô
  "Me" on eBay malfunctioning?
  American Philatelic Society Names New Editor
  1870's three cent green....mark and color ?
  China unidentified stamps
  Christmas Around the World 2017
  Going ape
  Stamps on Stamps
  Fruits anyone?
  Food on Stamps!
  FOOTWEAR - Shoes, Sneakers, and Other Foot Coverings!

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2017 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2005 - 2017 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.9 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05