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Posted 04/14/2018   01:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Brad905 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This has been mentioned in another thread, but for posterities sake, I thought it deserved its own thread so people could easily find it by doing a SEARCH.

Most Canadian collectors know that about 20 years ago, " Canada Post" donated all of their archival material to "Archives Canada". For quite sometime, "Archives Canada" ran a website called the "Canadian Postal Archives". Unfortunately, most of the site has been 'down' since October of last year. I thought it was a temporary problem, but in talking to the Library and Archives of Canada just a few days ago, I have been led to understand that the site will no longer be active and will eventually disappear completely.

For those of you not familiar with the site, here is some basics....

The main part of the site was an extensive data base of every Canadian and Provincial stamp from 1851 up until 2010. For each stamp, there was a main page that listed details about each stamp such as the printer, perforation, designer, quantity printed, etc. In later stamps from the 1960's on, they also had archived the original announcement that Canada Post had made about the new issue - pretty much everything you would find today in Canada Post's "DETAILS Magazine".

From the General Detail page, you could also click on "Documents Related to this Stamp". You would find it just under the picture of the stamp. In this section, you would find more pictures that included blocks, plate blocks, sheets, proofs, trials, and many other things. A massive store of philatelic information.

Here is a link to the ORIGINAL website as it is now.

https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca...80608_e.html

By clicking on CANADIAN STAMPS, it will take you to the menu where you can choose the stamp you want to investigate.

Once you click on that stamp though, you will find it is a dead link.



I will continue with my narrative. I was a little irate with the person I was speaking with, as I always assumed that once information is in the hands of the Library and Archives of Canada, that it would be safe and always available. In the end, she suggested that I search for the archive on the WAYBACK MACHINE, a website that claims its mission is to preserve and archive websites. You may see it another way. In this case though, I do believe that it is authorised. At the top of the page it reads,

You are viewing an archived web page, collected at the request of Library and Archives Canada | Bibliothèque et Archives Canada using Archive-It. This page was captured on 3:34:38 Sep 23, 2017, and is part of the Library and Archives Canada (9155) collection.

You will find the entire archive on the WAYBACK MACHINE here.....

http://wayback.archive-it.org/9155/...S&Sect1=STMP

It is a little awkward to navigate. Each page only lists 200 stamps in chronological order. So if you are looking for a stamp from 2009 - you are going to have to flip through a lot of pages.

In order to flip to the next page of 200 stamps, there is a button with some letters and three small arrows pointing to the LEFT. Click on this, and it will bring up the next 200 stamps. This button can be found at the top left and bottom left of each page. You can also flip back by using the button with the three little arrows pointing to the left.

There are 4555 entries so there are a total of 23 pages.

There are 2920 individual stamp entries, which covers every stamp from the Penny Beaver up to the November, 2011 Christmas Issue.

That leaves another 1635 entries on the last 7 pages. There you can find entries covering proposed stamp issues, War Saving Stamps, Postal Stationary, and other things. As this is essentially a data base for an archives collection, you will find that everything does not have a picture.

There is still a lot to explore on the archive and I encourage people to post interesting material they find there, here.

Here are a few pictures I picked up while bopping through the later part of the site today.






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Posted 04/14/2018   09:53 am  Show Profile Check jogil's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Brad905: I had asked the curator of the Canada archive stamp collection if the had any Canada 195d stamps and they told me that they didn't and they just had 195 stamps only. It's too bad that they do not have such an important stamp.
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Posted 04/14/2018   11:08 am  Show Profile Check CanadaStamp's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add CanadaStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Seems to me this is just a continuation of a tend that began a long time ago. And that long time ago Canada Post had philatelic archives - no longer. There used to be a postal museum in downtown Ottawa - no longer. The Museum of History used to have a postal museum.......haven't been there in awhile but assume that is also gone. That means I think that for the casual collector and heritage enthusiast there is nothing. But serious studies can still be done at Library and Archives.
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Posted 04/14/2018   11:27 am  Show Profile Check jogil's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We can also add CAPEX to the no longer list too.
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Posted 04/14/2018   12:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After reading this thread, I guess I have to assume that the post office archives are gone too as well as the stamps section?

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Posted 04/14/2018   12:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply




According to Archive Canada, any non-commercial (stamp collectors) have the right to capture and reproduce stamp information for non-commercial use.

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Posted 04/14/2018   12:34 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As such, Wayback is in violation (not that they care). Stamp Smarter meets their requirements.

The data was originally in a SQL database. To replicate the site properly, we would need them to run a backup script with data (takes 2 minutes) and send us the resulting SQL text file. We can grab the images ourselves.

I can import and establish the replacement web, with the original SQL data, in an hour or two. I would need another day or so to tweak stuff, add images, etc.

Of course, we already have a good Canadian SQL database in place on Stamp Smarter with Scott numbers. We could merge the two if desired. I could also add a lot better search and filter features.

I am a bit busy this week, of someone wants to contact them and inquire if they would be willing to send us the SQL database we should be able to resurrect the site pretty quickly.
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Posted 04/14/2018   4:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok guys.
I just got an email back from Archives Canada
Leo explained why it would be very hard for some one like say BNAPS to take over..Different web structures, etc.

I just asked him if I could post his reply and waiting to hear from him.

So guys, I think we are Sc****ed for that idea...It was worth a try.

Robert
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Posted 04/14/2018   8:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add graphis to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Canada Post...the museum still exists albeit revamped...IMO not worth the price of admission..you'll get more info etc flipping through the pages of a Unitrade Stamp catalog.


Here's the link to the museum website.
https://www.historymuseum.ca/event/...-collection/
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Posted 04/14/2018   8:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add petermac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I last saw the stamp exhibit about 18 months ago. The picture shown on the link above depicts nearly the whole room. The several exhibits of objects are very interesting, but too few for this museum-goer-and-philatelist. The exhibited collection itself is only of the basic set of stamps and on that last visit, it was two years behind in being mounted.

Having been a frequent visitor to the Postal Museum, then the vastly-reduced former space in the same museum it's in now, I've witnessed the demise of a once-wonderful thing. Even though I live in Ottawa, I have never once visited Library and Archives Canada (there is no "the" at the beginning of the name, fyi) as a researcher, though I know many who have. I plan to join one of them next month if I get my visitor affairs in order in time. I have been told many fabulous tales of superb finds and experiences with the reference materials and actual objects that really should be experienced by more of us.
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Posted 04/15/2018   9:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Leo's reply about Archives Canada..Thanks Leo

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Porting the Library and Archives Canada (LAC) Postal Archives database to the BNAPs website would involve a tremendous amount of work. Among the issues that would have to be resolved are incompatibilities between the database software LAC uses and the software the BNAPS website uses, the amount of data involved, the question of support for French since LAC offered both English and French interfaces, and the implementation of the web pages that act as the front end to the database. As you may know, BNAPS, like most philatelic organizations, is run by unpaid volunteers who wouldn't have the time to do the work.

The reason LAC mothballed the Postal Archives database is that it was obsolete and unmaintained. For many years now, no new data had been added to this database. LAC's main database, MIKAN, contains all the data that was in the Postal Archives database, and this data is being augmented on a continuing basis. Admittedly, the MIKAN user interface is much less friendly than the one for the Postal Archives database where you could click on a stamp image to find documents related to the stamp, but it is worth mastering because of the data being continually added to it.

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Posted 04/15/2018   9:57 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I hate it when people build obstacles instead of seeking solutions. Count me out.
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Why was BNAPS the sole "solution" to our Archives future ? Don's offer was ignored ? or they do not have a clue about other possibilities.....
I am not throwing stones here, just wondering....

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Posted 04/16/2018   10:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Don's offer was ignored


I dont think Don was ignored..He is fully capable of carrying on with the Archive website..I just contacted the site to see where, we, Don, BNAPS and others stand..I dont think it will happen.

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Posted 04/16/2018   11:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert and Don, your "efforts" are appreciated !

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Posted 04/16/2018   4:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Brad905 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the effort Robert and Don. I hope you can come up with some solution!!
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