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Posted 12/30/2015   3:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One more thought, which I've mentioned elsewhere. The Steiner pages appear to be 8 1/2 x 11 inches, which I think I saw on the Steiner web site. If that's correct, they would not work for me since my binders all are Scott Intl. I have some other size binders; three ring style; but would have to buy a lot more. Like I said earlier; at least for me; far too much hassle to convert 50,000 stamps (actually less since several thousand will be sold off); plus getting new hinges & mounts.

Still, there are three options for classic Mexico pages and advocates for all 3, which is good. Be interesting to find out how MEPSI members, besides me, house their collections of classic Mexico. Any of you other guys, replying on the thread, MEPSI members?
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Posted 12/30/2015   6:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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After adding the cost of the mounts, the time spent cutting and affixing mounts, and the cost of real archival paper of the same weight, how much are you REALLY saving?




Fair question- I suspect some might be interested in a ball park estimate.

For a WW 1840-1940 (-1952 British Commonwealth) collection, the Steiner and the Palo would require essentially the same number of pages, as the Palo is based on the Steiner layout for the most part.

Palo
6,500 pages @ $3.50/page (your estimate) = $22,750
I know very few people that would willingly up-front spend $22,000 just for album pages for a WW collection. I wouldn't.

BTW, I see nothing on the Palo site that states their paper is "archival", whatever that means. They say "acid free".

Steiner
6,500 pages @ $0.55/page (70 lb acid free paper-.02, ink-.05, Mounts-.48)

Cost= $3575

Of course one buys the mounts, paper, and ink piecemeal as needed for one's collection. The cost is much less painful when spread out over a number of years.

So how much an I really saving?

Precisely $19,175

But I don't charge for my own time, as, for me, stamp collecting is a hobby, is very enjoyable (yes, even cutting mounts!), and I am retired.

So enjoy your Palo pages- they are nice.

If I collected a few countries, I would consider them also.
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Posted 12/30/2015   6:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And you don't need to use mounts on every stamps
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Posted 12/30/2015   7:13 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In fact, you probably need to use mounts on very few pre-1940 stamps - the UM and those of a reasonably high CV - I usually reckon 20+.
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Posted 12/30/2015   7:37 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jkjblue: That comparison is somewhat valid, although (1) the paper that Palo uses is heavier weight than a 70# text, but more importantly (2) your analysis values your time to print the pages, cut, and affix the mounts at $0, which I would argue is inaccurate, unless you love that task and prefer spending your time manufacturing album pages than actually working with stamps.

Being careful and meticulous, I would speculate you could print, punch, cut and affix mounts for no more than 10 pages per hour (and I think that is being optimistic). 6,500 pages divided by 10 = 650 hours. $19,175 cost savings divided by 650 = $29.50/hour. Not a bad hourly wage, but talk about drudge work...

If you take the labor out of the equation, sure it's a no brainer, but spending hundreds of hours making album pages is not high up on my to-do list.

Perhaps my opinion will change once I am retired and time is less valuable of a commodity, but that is still a long way off...
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Posted 12/31/2015   09:45 am  Show Profile Check chris2015's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chris2015 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the key difference here is a matter of scale. As Jim says, if you are only collecting a few countries, Palo albums is a very good choice. However, if one is collecting the world, even to 1940, I suspect very few people would want to shell out over $22,000 just for the albums. By the way, don't forget the binders to hold the pages! It would cost an additional $3500 just for the binders.

However...

I read in an ad for an auction somewhere,

"Largely concentrating on Europe and its Colonies, and up until recently British Commonwealth, he has assembled beautiful, largely mint (used if it exists only that way), 1840-1940 year-date collections filling a few hundred specially made Palo hingeless albums."

So, it is possible if you are willing to spend that kind of money
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Posted 12/31/2015   10:10 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also, it is doubtful that one would purchase (or create) all the pages in one swell foop. More likely, as you worked on a particular country or region, you would acquire the pages for that area.
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Posted 12/31/2015   10:39 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting that, on Jim's figures, even Steiner greatly exceeds in cost my combo of the New Ideal and New Imperial, which between them cover the world to 1936. Limited varieties and no dues/officials in the New Ideal, but otherwise all one could ask for - or this one, anyway!

BTW, Jim, I notice that we share a "kitchen scissors" technique on mount-cutting!
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Posted 12/31/2015   12:22 pm  Show Profile Check chris2015's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chris2015 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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BTW, Jim, I notice that we share a "kitchen scissors" technique on mount-cutting!




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BTW, Jim, I notice that we share a "kitchen scissors" technique on mount-cutting!


No way! I don't share the scissors with the Kitchen at all. I have my own.


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Interesting that, on Jim's figures, even Steiner greatly exceeds in cost my combo of the New Ideal and New Imperial, which between them cover the world to 1936.


GeoffHa- do your cost figures for the New Ideal/New Imperial include the cost of supplying mounts for all spaces? That was the largest part of the cost estimate for the Steiner.
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Posted 12/31/2015   5:07 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jim

No - both sets (3 x Ideal, 2 x Imperial) fastbound, so mounts have to be kept to a minimum or the albums will expand faster than my post-retirement tummy.

All the best for 2016. I see that you've now reached Southern Rhodesia - a fantastic achievement.

Geoff
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Posted 12/31/2015   8:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
GeoffHa wrote: "you probably need to use mounts on very few pre-1940 stamps.........." I'll disagree a little with that. Like Geoff, I use mounts for any stamp cataloging, in Scott, over $50 (about the L 20 amount suggested by Geoff). The caveat is that some of the early classic Mexico are printed on really thin paper. Considering the state of stamp hinges these days, I'm hesitant to use hinges on those really thin ones.
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Posted 02/05/2018   6:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Considering the state of stamp hinges these days, I'm hesitant to use hinges on those really thin ones.


Reviving the thread a little,as it has great information on the Palo (thanks revenuecollector) and on Steiner pages with relative costs.

It is true that I do mount all the stamps (WW 1840-1940 - 1952 British Commonwealth) when I use the Steiner pages. An advantage over hinges is I can quickly swap out and insert a better copy, what with all the feeder albums coming my way.

Honestly, I've soured on using hinges. After going through 10,000 Dennisons (perfect!) on stamps of the 1941-1970 era , I've found, for me, the "supersafe" hinges now sold (actually, all modern hinges come from the same Prinz factory in Germany) might as well be called "super-concrete".

BTW, I've now acquired a Palo album (Egypt-Sudan), and. since the Palo shares the same Steiner layout DNA, it is quite compatible.
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Thank you for noting that all modern day hinges are manufactured by one company only. Prinz of Germany.
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Posted 02/14/2018   3:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampwolf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A question...What is the difference between archival and acid-free? I guess all archival paper is acid-free but not all acid- paper is archival. Does acid-free have some sort of off gassing problem like phthalates, or formaldehyde or other?

Comment...I'm not sure of the quoted cost of $3300 for binders form a previous poster. I have seen dozens sell at the local consignment auction for $0.10 or less each. Sometimes they are just left on the tables for the taking. If one wears out just replace it with another 10 center. I personally like to get the binders with the metal hinges on them (albeit harder to find) and make my own rib and covers out of Luan. I have made several that way. They last forever and look good. Here is an example of one I keep some covers in. Cheers! Wolf-==-
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