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Posted 06/12/2018   09:30 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Robert
The generally accepted definition of a true error stamp ate those which have been distributed to the Post Offices for sale to the public. The store owner did the right thing, if we support a market for material that goes out the back door of a printer then we are doing a disservice to the hobby. If the 'printers waste' market is supported, then it become even more likely that workers will intentionally make 'errors' for profit. Not good.
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Posted 06/12/2018   09:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
..Whole heartedly..

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Posted 06/12/2018   09:52 am  Show Profile Check jogil's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some printer's waste was salvaged and finished as a cost savings measure and it was issued through the post office such as the U.S. sheet and coil waste issues while others from some other countries have come out unfinished from the printer's back door.
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Posted 06/12/2018   10:01 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi jogil,
As far as I know all U.S. sheet and coil waste issues were distributed to Post Offices. Is there evidence that some of these went out the back door?
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Posted 06/12/2018   10:42 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are a couple of elements, aren't there? There's the printer's waste, which could be genuine misprints or deliberately misprinted for sale out the back-door. Then there's the "error" or individualised (perf varieties etc) material printed at the instigation of certain well-placed individuals. Now if the "inverted Jenny" were one of these, but escaped by accident to fall into the hands of Mr Robey ...
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Posted 06/12/2018   2:56 pm  Show Profile Check jogil's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
51studebaker: I meant from some other countries for printer's waste going out of the back door.
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Posted 06/13/2018   03:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Around 1970 tons of printer's waste was poured out over us fromn the Pertjetakan Kebajoran where the Indonesian stamps are printed.


It shouldn't be difficult to find other examples...


Stamp collectors adore this! But who doesn't like circus attractions? :)
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Posted 06/13/2018   07:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Everyone is talking about back door illegal stamps and how there are not viable Canada Post legitimate stamps..And not worth collecting...These people would be the first to acquire a back of door stamps as I created below...Who are we trying to fool...Just saying...I know I would.

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Posted 06/13/2018   09:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I know I would not.
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Posted 06/17/2018   10:49 am  Show Profile Check 3Dadeo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3Dadeo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would not either.

And I will add that it disappoints me to see so many professional auction houses selling this material.

If one looks at their modern Canada sections, often you see the same exact "backdoor" stamps for sale over and over, from one auction to the next.

These are the firms that would have the greatest impact on de-legitimizing this fraud - but they don't, because of the money involved.

As a side note, there are rare occasions when non-legitimate stamps will have some historical value (for example the Connell stamps of Newfoundland - which should have all been destroyed). But that is more about interesting history adding value to an otherwise illegitimate stamp.

If the stamp passes through the Post Office, then it is fair game and an exciting find, otherwise not so much.
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