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Posted 05/24/2017   08:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Honestly the chance is close to zero that a person would notice 0.05 mm difference with normal human visual capabilities it's different story when you have both stamps in hand


with the same magnification, I will see. Unless you don't want I see
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Posted 05/24/2017   08:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I see little value in debating this; I recommend sending the stamp in for a certification. Please let us know the results.
Don
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Posted 05/26/2017   2:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add iStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
good idea, I just have to find a russian stamp expert. I will update you
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Posted 05/26/2017   2:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add iStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
any feedback on the 10k with inverted groundwork?
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Posted 05/26/2017   4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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any feedback on the 10k with inverted groundwork?


Image is rather poor, but it looks like it.
(from previous advice)

The two dots inside the rhombus are in the middle, and below the median.

The 10k is rather common, the 4k is the expensive fellow. $4000 scott 2009
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Edited by rod222 - 05/26/2017 4:18 pm
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Posted 05/27/2017   06:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add iStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much for your feedback
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Posted 05/28/2017   08:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add iStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
10k 11th issue vs 10k 14 issue
could someone please explain what to check so to be sure that it's NOT a stamp from the 11th issue but with vertically laid paper (as a production error)? The margins, perforations and color var are quite the same on both thunderbolt issues. The same question is regarding the 7k 12th vs 13th issue thanks
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Posted 06/03/2017   10:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patrasf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Groundwork inverted on a 2 kop, vertically laid, 1902 and double print as you can see under the number 2 the double printing of the frame.Method of the 2 dots inside the hexagon on the groundwork.This is not a inverted design where you see on the upside down of the crown phantom.
Any kindly comments will be appreciated. I hope to be respectfully commented. Thank you.

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Posted 06/03/2017   11:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patrasf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
2 kop,1883,dark very dark green,groundwork inverted, as per the two dots inside the hexagon method.Horizontally laid, and used stamp, but VF condition.Please professional comments to confirm or not the finding..
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Posted 06/03/2017   11:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patrasf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have also this 2 kop 1883, very dark green, used, VF, HORIZONTALLY LAID.As per the two dots method inside the hexagon on the groundwork, is inverted.One dot in the top and one very small hard to see on the median.
Profesional comments will be very appreciated to confirm or not my finding.Thank you.

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Posted 06/03/2017   12:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi patrasf,

I'm afraid you are trying to apply the wrong test to this stamp.

This stamp with inverted background is rare but would be easy to spot.

There are no dots on the background where the crown is intended to be so when the background is inverted a blank area (without dots) in the shape of an upside-down crown can be seen at the bottom of the stamp.
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Posted 06/03/2017   5:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patrasf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi NigelC, thank you to for your comment.I like this site.
OK, groundwork inverted and design inverted.In my example, as this stamps is showing, not a design inverted but the back ground. If you check the hexagons, normally you should have two dots inside.If one dot is on the median and the other one above to the top of the hexagon, then is a inverted groundwork.Sometime one dot is very small and one larger.Always the groundwork was printed first.By mistake the sheet was turned upside-down and after they applied the design, crown dragons and the value.Now , I'm here to receive comments like you dit and is really appreciated.I found more information here with extraordinary and passionate collectors like you.So if you can have a look on the left side top and middle of the groundwork and let me know if you see the 2 dots and the hexagon.Maybe I'm wrong.Yes the two kop 1883 worth $35.000.I do not think to have more then 5% maybe from the value, except if is trough inverted then auction maybe a bit more.
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Posted 06/03/2017   6:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi patrasf,

The background is not inverted on your stamp.

You wrote:

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If you check the hexagons, normally you should have two dots inside. If one dot is on the median and the other one above to the top of the hexagon, then is a inverted groundwork.

but this is not correct for the background on stamps of this design.

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Edited by nigelc - 06/03/2017 8:26 pm
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Posted 06/04/2017   12:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patrasf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I see, but if it was a 1902 ,10 kop or 20 kop ?
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Posted 06/19/2017   05:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add iStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
can someone please advice regarding the overprint on the chain braker issue thanks



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