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Posted 12/22/2014   04:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bonjour, Papy24,

Yes, you are right, all of the stamps in this thread were printed either on a Heim diestamp print press or on a Waite & Saville one.

There were old small presses of both these makes in use capable of printing just one sheetlet of either 4 large-format or 10 small-format stamps as well as new large pressess producing two sheetlets of either 4 large-format or 10 small-format stamps.

The Postal Printing House of Securities, Prague had several of each make then. Which one was then being used for printing any of the stamps was not made known, unfortunately.

Today, only Waite & Saville diestamp print presses are used as Heim no longer produces the machines.

I am sorry I have not found a good picture of a Waite & Saville used in the Postal Printing House of Securities, Prague.
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Posted 12/22/2014   06:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Papy24 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

Thank you Florian. I have forgotten the Waite and Saville presses. It is the same kind of press than Heim.

I have found these pictures on the web.




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Posted 12/23/2014   04:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bonjour, Pappy24,

I am very sorry, I have to correct my statement in yesterday´s post that "...all of the stamps in this thread were printed either on a Heim diestamp print press or on a Waite & Saville one" which was incorrect because I had forgotten about the WIFAG-printed stamps on the FDCs on pages 1 and 2 of this thread posted by lithograving on 05/24/2014 8:44 pm , 05/24/2014 8:52 pm , and 05/24/2014 8:58 pm (there it was only the Commune of Paris stamp, but not the following Bratislava Tapestries set printed by die-stamping), which you will have had in mind in your previous post. I do apologise.

As for the pictures of the Waite & Saville presses (similar to the Heims) you have found on the web, those will be the kind used by the Postal Printing House of Securities, Prague. Thank you for showing them here.
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Posted 03/20/2015   08:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Diestamping at Piccolo Press Nairn Scotland in October 2010 (the Waite & Saville diestamping press of 1950s vintage - about sixty years old - printing engraved stationery):

0:11 Guillotining the paper,
0:20 Making ready the Press for first diestamp of the sheet,
0:44 Diestamping underway – notice feeding and checking of each sheet,
0:55 Sheets being laid out on the delivery board,
1:22 A sideways view of the Press as we go round to look at the inking,
1:39 The back of the Press – showing the inking and wiping arrangements,
1:51 The inking roller inks the die – blade wiping of the die,
2:00 Brown paper wiping of the die for each "stamp",
2:13 The front of the Press under the feed table,
2:26 Diestamper Shaun Watson well into the job now!


Waite and Saville diestamp print presses are used by the Postal Printing House of Securities, Prague ( see http://ptcpraha.cz/en/technology/in...o-sheet.html ) to print most of their multicoloured
Art stamps (see http://filatelie.ceskaposta.cz/en/f...924-id43560/ or http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ032.14.jpg ),
Prague Castle issues (see http://filatelie.ceskaposta.cz/en/f...eet-id43049/ or http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ015.14.jpg ), and
Tourism issues ( see http://filatelie.ceskaposta.cz/en/f...eau-id42787/ or http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ008.14.jpg )
from flat plates in up to five colours, one plate for each colour, printed one after another and aiming for each of them to be in perfect register with the preceding one

or from just one flat plate in black or similar dark colour, combined with multicoloured offset printing, such as

Nature Protection sheets (see http://filatelie.ceskaposta.cz/en/f...ins-id43298/ or for single stamps see http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ021.14.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ022.14.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ023.14.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ024.14.jpg ) or a few
Art stamps (see http://filatelie.ceskaposta.cz/en/f...989-id43564/ or http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ034.14.jpg )
and certain commemorative miniature sheets (see http://filatelie.ceskaposta.cz/en/f...eet-id43468/ or http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ029.14.jpg ).

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Posted 03/20/2015   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Florian, thanks for that Waite & Saville diestamping press video
and the various links.

I have to say that this press looks like and performs like something
out of the 19th century and I find it amazing that so many beautifully
multicolored engraved Czech stamps were produced on a press such as
this.

I mean it is such a small , crude (primitive) press compared to lets say a Koenig & Bauer or a Goebel
webfed,rotary press of the same era.

Giori/Koenig Bauer multicolour intaglio press 1952

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Posted 03/23/2015   4:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Florian asked me to post this pic of the
Johnston diestamp print press which was in use
between 1937 and 1959 to print miniature sheets of 4
and small panes of 10 or 12.
The press also printed engravings on FDCs and on
stamped envelopes

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Posted 03/24/2015   04:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, lithograving. The photo was published in No 20/1950 of the Československá filatelie bimonthly having been taken at the PRAGA 1950 stamp exhibition where the Johnston diestamping press printed the PRAGA 1950 miniature sheet (see http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...asnost-arsik ) for visitors to observe the process.

The very same press had been used for printing the pre-war miniature sheets starting with the BRATISLAVA 1937 ( http://www.cpslib.org/aip/1937-329a.htm http://www.cpslib.org/aip/1937-329.htm http://www.cpslib.org/aip/1938-343.htm ) and PRAGA 1938 ( http://www.cpslib.org/aip/1938-342a.htm http://www.cpslib.org/aip/1938-342.htm http://www.cpslib.org/aip/1938-343.htm ) ones.

Diestamping presses are small, hand-fed and therefore meant for small print runs of up to 500,000 (now about 100,000 only) but unique for ink leaving a raised relief image of excellent clarity and tactility suitable for producing superb pieces of craftsmanship in stamp printing.
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Edited by florian - 03/24/2015 06:21 am
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Posted 03/24/2015   08:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some more Nature Protection miniature sheets combining multicolour offset with recess in a single colour on the Waite & Saville diestamp print press for sharpness and clarity. Designed by Mrs. Libuše Knotek (the engraver Ladislav Jirka's daughter) and her husband Jaromír Knotek), engraved by Martin Srb:

http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...030MS.13.jpg
http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ027.13.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ028.13.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ029.13.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ030.13.jpg

http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...031MS.11.jpg
http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ028.11.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ029.11.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ030.11.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ031.11.jpg

http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...029MS.10.jpg
http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ026.10.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ027.10.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ028.10.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ029.10.jpg

http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...023MS.09.jpg
http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ020.09.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ021.09.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ022.09.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ023.09.jpg

http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...027MS.08.jpg
http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ024.08.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ025.08.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ026.08.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ027.08.jpg

http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...031MS.07.jpg
http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ028.07.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ029.07.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ030.07.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ031.07.jpg

http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...023MS.05.jpg
http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ020.05.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ021.05.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ022.05.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ023.05.jpg

Orchid growing:
http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...033MS.12.jpg
http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ030.12.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ030.12.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ032.12.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ033.12.jpg

Parrot Breeding:
http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...026MS.04.jpg
http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ023.04.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ024.04.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ025.04.jpg http://www.wnsstamps.post/stamps/20...CZ026.04.jpg

Aquarium Fish Breeding:
http://www.cpslib.org/aip/2003-365a.htm



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Edited by florian - 03/24/2015 09:09 am
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Posted 03/24/2015   2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for those links Florian.
As you state, by adding just one engraved colour (black usually)
it changes a dull, flat offset/litho printing into
a sharp,crisp, detailed work of art.
Same as when the Austrian State Printer would combine
one colour engraving with multicolour photogravure.

BTW,who was the offsett press manufactuer ?
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Posted 03/25/2015   05:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, lithograving. I also find parallels between the Austrian State Printer's photogravure / engraving combination printings and the Czech Postal Printing House of Securities' offset / engraving ones.

These are the machines used for printing in offset by the Postal Printing House of Securities, Prague: http://ptcpraha.cz/en/technology/of...rinting.html
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Posted 03/25/2015   11:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Our printing house uses a unique star perforation,


The quote was taken from the above linked website. Does anyone have an example?
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Posted 03/26/2015   03:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Both in 2014 and 2015, Issue Plan of Czech Postage Stamps prospectuses, published by the Czech Post, named the offset printing machine as Heidelberg Speedmaster.
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Posted 03/26/2015   4:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Florian I checked out your link regarding
the Heidelberg SM 74-4 and the Heidelberg SM 74-2.

Since this thread is about engraved printing presses I'll
start another specifically concerning Heidelberg offset
presses.
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Posted 03/27/2015   05:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
littleriverphil - I am afraid I have not noticed any star-shaped perfs on Czech or any other stamps as yet but then I have to admit that unless perfs spoil the aesthetic appeal of stamps I do not care much about them and their technical details in particular.

Besides, I have never been much of a true philatelist although the hobby of moderate stamp collecting has lasted me uninterruptedly for 73 years - ever since I was five. Finding fine stamps still a joy to look at in admiration, I am now concentrating on accessible hand-engraved stamps in mint condition that are slowly becoming the luxuries of the past.

However, the maxim that I go by is Ne quid nimis - Nothing in excess, which applies to stamps as well.
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