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italy stamp imperf 1862-63 is this type I or type II,please help me identify?  
 

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Posted 06/17/2017   6:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add edw_kim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
well guys the stamp in the OP has already been determined as NOT a forgery..the thing about my stamp in the OP .. it contains the utmost "closed up" letter C I have ever seen. scott catalog says the stamp in "used condition" is roughly between $25-$30..
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Posted 06/17/2017   7:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@vacallo - Wow - certified forgeries - as in postal forgeries (counterfeits) to deceive the Post Office? If so - lucky you!
Now, that is something to keep in a safe place
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Posted 06/17/2017   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@edw_kim - Even tough your stamp is not a postal forgery I am afraid that does not necessarily make it authentic. It might very well be authentic, but the argument that is not a postal forgery and hence it must be authentic, is not valid.

Please note the difference between
Postal forgeries: (made to defraud/cheat the postal system while the stamps were actually in use - these are often highly sought after and very valuable) or
Fakes/forgeries: made to deceive collectors and were produced years/decades later....mostly with minimal retail value today. Tough certain extremely well made forgeries made by Sperati and others might be even more valuable than the original stamp itself (despite the fact that they were also made to deceive collectors....its complicated!)

To complicate things, some stamps were re-distributed from the printers waste - and sold to collectors. To make them appear authentic, someone applied a fake postmark - and voila - it might appear to be a postally used authentic stamp. For your particular stamp in the OP, you stated yourself:


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the cancellation has been studied further and the date reads 20th of feb 1867.Genova cancellation..forgery is out of the question.

Please consider the date of postal validity for these stamps, this was made available for you in my earlier post (page 2 in this thread) with information from the Sassone catalog. Then make your own conclusion.
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Posted 06/18/2017   12:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add edw_kim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks Blaamand .i have no further comments..meaning there is nothing more to say..
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Posted 06/18/2017   05:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
edw_kim - Sure, you're welcome
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Posted 06/18/2017   3:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I get few more

first on this one same closed C as the OP on the right stamp, witch the "C" don't fit a type I , sorry for ED, but more investigation is needed, and his stamps don't sell for $ 25 - $ 30
I pay $ 4 for a group a 4 including the one on the photo






here the group of 4






few more and one on paper











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Posted 06/18/2017   3:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I get also those 2 that look suspicious, the general aspect is not feeling right .... one of them have the same OP stamps "C"... Will come back with a better scan when I receive them



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Edited by area66 - 06/18/2017 4:54 pm
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Posted 06/18/2017   6:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add edw_kim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
area66 seems to be "the last man standing".as far as forgery is concerned..it is out of the question..
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Posted 06/18/2017   6:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ed you don't even notice the stamp was on paper ... and now , you the expert in forgery.....

Look same "c" than you .... I pay $ 1.25 on eBay , very far from $ 30






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Edited by area66 - 06/18/2017 9:50 pm
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Posted 06/19/2017   8:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add edw_kim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
area 66..please go find a different "stamp enthusiast" to pick on..??
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Posted 06/22/2017   1:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Heremy stamp at left and the one of ED Win at right, I pay $ 1.25 for it including also a Type II, so those stamps sell well below catalogue value.



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Posted 06/22/2017   1:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
if you look at close up, it's look the upper part of the C was previously close and then they add an extention that make it more closed





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Edited by area66 - 06/22/2017 1:48 pm
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Posted 06/22/2017   2:24 pm  Show Profile Check Petert4522's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow area, good detective work!


Peter
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Posted 06/23/2017   03:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add edw_kim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i agree with peter4522 ..area.we should send you to Wasington DC<FBI forgery detective division>. they need a guy like yourself..loads of laughs..ha ha..
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Posted 06/23/2017   04:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't forget in your laughing that you are the one who show us a stamp still on paper and ask this
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y? also the reverse side has unusual tic-tac-toe like-lines..
and is on bluish imperf paper..


By the way I tough it was the US Secret Service in charge of counterfeit. For currency , I don't know for stamps.
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