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Posted 01/13/2018   6:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Cjd but sadly the pictures don't tell us much and the text doesn't mention the postmarks. :(

I'he had a look in both Coles & Walker and Galinos and they show a number of Turkish postmarks for Mount Athos including a double circle Ottoman Turkish type that looks like Michael's example for Ayneros / Athos / Karye so I think that's encouraging.

I don't see any reference to the triangular mark apart from in Michel. I'm suprised not to see it in either the Ellas or Vlastos catalogues as between them they include a lot of local/private/bogus issues. Maybe the editors don't consider them to be local stamps?
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Posted 01/13/2018   6:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Klaseboer has an offhand comment on his miscellaneous Turkey page that the Mount Athos overprints seem to just be cancels. First time I've read that. (He has the same scan from the other link I posted just above.)

http://catalogue.klaseboer.com/vol2...turkemi1.htm

I have no basis for evaluating that supposition.
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Posted 01/13/2018   7:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Cjd, That's very interesting.

I wonder given the listing for mint stamps in Michel whether it was a stock control method like perfins / chops / commercial overprints?

Here's another example on the Greek "collectio" publisher/auction house site:

https://collectio.bid/listing/view/...74614f621a83

and another listing where Mr Galinos of collectio seems to be identifed as the seller:

http://www.coincircuit.com/stamp-Au...eece-ottoman

He quotes his own postmark reference book (Nicolas & Galinos, which I use) for the circular Ottoman Turkish mark and refers to the "triangular" (SHP) mark.

Mr Galinos gives the following references: "C&W AC2-35, Agaogullari AP04-1, Nicolas & Galinos 146-1, Bayindir 2) (Mount Athos)" (where I've replaced each accented g and undotted letter I from the Turkish names).

Perhaps if the sigma-chi-pi ("SHP") abbreviation has a religious significance?
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Posted 01/13/2018   8:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's Michel's online catalog entry for that issue:


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Posted 01/13/2018   8:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting indeed PostmasterGS!

The catalogue now lists used instead of mint stamps (unlike my 1998/99 edition what only had prices for mint stamps). This now fits with the examples we've seen.

The image looks to be exactly the same as in my old edition and I wonder how accurate this is. Perhaps it's an old drawing that has remained in use over many editions?

The shapes and positions of the Greek letters do not match what we see in both Michael's and the other examples.

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Posted 01/13/2018   9:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't place much stock in the drawing being accurate. Michel's been updating a lot of their images, but the older ones aren't all that great. I think some of the overprint illustrations are hand drawn.
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Posted 01/14/2018   01:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Isfila lists them under locals. It doesn't mention postmarks...


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Posted 01/14/2018   01:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've assumed it was a Mt Athos local...have it with my other local issues. Overprint color/lettering seems to match Isfila as far as I can tell - but again, have not spent alot of time on these. I can say it looks like all of the other Mt Athos locals I've seen.
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Posted 01/14/2018   01:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, upon further review: the call in the previous post is reversed.

My stamp is not listed in Isfila - the underlying stamp is not Isfila 100, as the last listing shows. Which means it's likely a fake overprint. I should look at my stamps more often!
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Posted 01/14/2018   04:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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When you get out of the stamp-budget hole I recently put you in, Philabooks has that series for about AUD$850, and Birken's new Volume 5: The Small Tughras for AUD$26.


Postmaster,
budgeting, I am extremely good at, that was a very wonderful opportunity
you gave me, in securing those tomes.

Cracking Turkish philately is another thing, sometimes it seems just overwhelming. I am taking small bites at a time. (enjoyable though).

It will be a while, if ever, I tackle the Postmarks seriously.

Keen to get the Small Tughras.


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Posted 01/14/2018   05:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Michael,

Thanks for showing the Isfila listing. I really like their clear pictures.

I had come round to thinking your stamp was probably genuine but I agree with you that the basic stamp seems to be wrong.

Michel lists the overprint on both Mi 20 (1875 type IV) and Mi 28 (1876 type VI) and it's interesting that Isfila only shows the overprint on one 20 paras value (Mi 28).

I see there's a similar situation for the 10 paras stamps.

I had assumed your stamp was Mi 20 but clearly I hadn't looked at it properly!

I believe your stamp is Mi 14B (1869 Type III, irregular perf) so it's either a faked overprint or an uncatalogued stamp.
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