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Posted 04/20/2017   09:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Daveinva47 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Rev! Good information!
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Posted 04/20/2017   11:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 1typesetter to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ron,

Just to inform those who may not know, the Deats and Sterling remainders are the ones with the pie shaped cutouts so often seen.
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Posted 04/21/2017   02:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was just reading an old article from an 1891 American Philatelist by E.B. Sterling describing how he and Deats obtained and cataloged eight boxcar loads of revenue material from the U.S. Treasury. Fascinating story!

Deats and Sterling sold off the remainders to collectors and some eventually went to pulp paper mills. Here's an example of a giveaway item they created as a promotion at the 1891 Great Interstate Fair in New Jersey. They printed 50,000 of these, which may give you some idea how much material they had on hand.



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Posted 04/21/2017   08:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They saved a lot more then the punched remainders, such as the complete Butler & Carpenter archives (all the first-third issue, proprietary, and m&m proofs and essays plus all the paperwork). Officials on cover and many other important items as well. Revenue and BOB collectors should bow at the very mention of their names.
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Posted 04/21/2017   09:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Eight Boxcars full of Bob material?
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Posted 04/22/2017   07:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revenuermd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The government retrieved a fair amount when it was discovered that there were many current tax paid stamps.
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Posted 04/24/2017   9:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I picked up a couple early vignette prints by the BEP with significance to taxpaid revenues.

The first one, "Progress," shows a locomotive and river scene. It was engraved in 1859 by George Baldwin, so it actually pre-dates the Bureau, but they ended up adding the plate to their stock and using it for various purposes. In this case, a small circular vignette was cropped and used on a taxpaid for Special Bonded Warehouse for Grape Brandy and a Domestic Opium Stamp, both in 1878. BEP records show it was also used on an 1878 Re-Warehousing Stamp.









The other vignette, titled "Harvesting," was one of the first works done at the Bureau, engraved in 1869 by W.H. Earle. It was used in cropped versions on a Distillery Warehouse Stamp (DenimDan, I purloined your image) and a 40 Gallon Distilled Spirits stamp.







Anyone recognize any other uses?
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Posted 04/25/2017   9:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DenimDan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Greg,

This is the only other usage I have. I posted it a couple years ago to the nearly moribund checks and stocks sub-forum here. These 1880s checks are lithographs, whereas the Distilled Spirits are engravings. It really is one of my favorite vignettes.

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While it's out of my league with respect to cost, and there's a TON of duplication, it would be interesting to see what lurks within:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/14236176786...AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Posted 04/25/2017   11:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Daveinva47 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1000's and 1000's....man that's a bunch of revenues!
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Wow! I agree, it would be a lot of fun to paw through all that material. It's a shame, but it looks like a lot of the special tax stamps were yanked out of their original binders - and yet they still kept the empty binders.
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