Need Help For Westervelt's Post Local

I have a 1c black on buff indian head Westervelt's Post local. Other than a 1c red on pink (144L9) on cover listed with Robert A. Siegel Auctions, I can't find much on this stamp other than it was in use in mid 1800s in Chester, NY. Can anyone help me to ID this one?

https://www.stampcommunity.org/uplo...tervelt.jpeg

Marty

I'm sorry, I haven't quite gotten used to uploading photos. here is a second try on Westervelt's post. Please be patient with me.



Marty

According to Scott's, there are many reprints and forgeries of all types and colours and several varieties other than those listed.

So it will surely drop into one of those categories.
But which one?

Welcome to the forum Marty! That is a most interersting stamp!

With so many new and very knowledgeable members, I thought I'd resurrect this post and hope someone might now be able to ID it as genuine or forgery.

You asked this question on 11/2/2009
you did not get a reply?

Handbook on westerveldt $35

http://www.philbansner.com/philatel...New-York.htm

CARRIERS & LOCALS - HANDBOOKS

Literature #2102. Johnson, Iver R, WESTERVELT'S POST, CHESTER, NEW YORK. Published 1935. SB. 11 p. Illus. Short history of firm. Shows original stamps, reprints, counterfeits. 140 printed

Their are 2 Types of Forgeries of this Stamp. As well as Reprints. This is a Type "A" Forgery. The forger of Type "A" is unknown. Type "B" is the S.A. Taylor Forgery. The Type "B" is MUCH easier to distinguish as the Indian is missing His Earring. Yours can be noted as a Forgery the gap in the curve of the "P" in "Post". To keep it simple I'll just leave it as that. Their are also other faults as well.

Ref. Private Posts of The United States, Vol.1, New York State 1967 Donald S. Patton

Edit for Ref.

The image of the Indian
was also used on a bogus issue
Jones local post
It was copied from the Westervelts

Thank you both! Yes, Rod, I received no answer when I first posted this in 2009. Rev, that is not what I wanted to hear but at the same time, I am quite happy to have an answer. Interestingly, I had both of you in mind when I decided to resurrect this post. You have made my day and I hope you had fun researching this stamp. It now goes with my growing collection of fakes and forgeries, which fortunately is not growing very rapidly.

From "Indians on Stamps"
by Wayne Youngblood.

Well, strealing someone else's design can't get more obvious than that! Is J.W. Scott the same Scott as in Scott catalogs? I recall having read somewhere Scott catalogs author was involved in producing bogus stamps.

Yes!




It is possible that it was not stolen in the way you would think. At the time the Indian was a popular design. "Indian Head" pennies, "Indian Head" Currency ($5 Silver cert. with Chief "Onepapa"), Indians being paraded into congress, etc. There were supply houses for type faces and printing materials. It is quite possible they were bought from the same supplier. Because that's what they had in stock. Or, Maybe your right and he stole the design. I guess we will never know for sure!

Oh, well there is some new information for me. Thanks, rev