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Australia Older Stamp With G Nsw Perfin In A Reverse Way?

 
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Posted 10/25/2011   02:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Bubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is an australia older stamp with G NSW perfin in a reverse way and I have just discovered it from my collection.Obviusly,the perfin is punched on the gum side of this stamp but not in front normally and it looks very unusual to me.Unfortunely,I am not sure anything about the perfin on the australia older stamp and really have no idea if this is normal thing or not.Hopefully someone knows anything about it and tell me.Is this a common or rare thing happened on the older stamps?


Please answer my question on above and hope to hear from you very soon.Please refer to the scans below and let me know what you think.


Anyway,I will get back to you as soon as possible after your reply over here.Thank you.





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Posted 10/25/2011   02:58 am  Show Profile Check KGV Collector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi! Budu.
In recent times I have listed Australia KGV's and Roo's that are from 1913 to 1935 era with inverted perfins (but not perfin "OS") and the market place did not respond as I expected it to. I felt very lucky to have sold them.

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Posted 10/25/2011   03:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello BuBu, welcome!

According to my understanding of Perfins, mostly from A Canada OHMS (On His Majesty's Service) perfin perspective, and talking to a perfin collector here in my area, is that perfins are created in 8 possible positions.

Four directions in the face of the stamp and then 4 directions upside down.

This can happen when a pane is folded in two or more to speed up the hole punching.

Even if the pane is not folded in half or more it depends on how the punching person was feeding the panes / sheets into the perforating machine as to how the perfin ends up showing on the stamp itself.

So, for a very involved perfin collector there are 8 possible stamps to collect. This doesn't mean that every perfin was created in all 8 positions though. There was no hard and fast rule about punching. Perhaps some companies or governments were more strict about how they looked and which orientation they were created in but some were not so strict.

I am not a perfin collector but I imagine there must be a secret list of all perfins and positions available and possibly a rarity and costing rating also. Not sure though.

G
NSW

would be

Government
New South Wales

I am guessing.
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Posted 10/25/2011   03:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add peterethio to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
would be Government New South Wales I am guessing.


Good guess. I remember our primary school having stamps perforated similarly to stop them being used on private mail.
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Posted 10/25/2011   04:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bubu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
KGV collector.Yes,I have plenty of this KGV stamps with OS perfins and this stamps are still with me.Maybe I will sell them later.Anyway,may I know why is this G NSW perfin punched on the gum side instead on obverse side normally of this stamp that I have seen on other stamps.I hope you can help me and tell me what happened with this stamp.Thank you for your replied to me over here and I hope to hear from you once again.
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Posted 10/25/2011   04:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bubu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Puzzler,did you mean there are 8 difference perfins position on the older Australia stamps?Included the perfin on the gum side?Unfortunely,I do not have the perfins catalogue with me and have no idea where to get it for sure because I am not from Australia and maybe I will try to get it on the website like eBay if it is available for sale.Thank you so much for your efford to explain in detail and it really help me very much.Hopefully someone knows about this perfin in a reverse way and tell me more about it for sure.
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Posted 10/25/2011   04:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bubu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peterthio,I apprieiciate your replied very much and puzzler is absolutely right about the G NSW perfin,nice guess there.
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Posted 10/25/2011   3:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have not been much involved in Australian perfins so I cannot speak with certainty.

But the possibility exists for all perfined stamps to have been fed into the perforator machine in four directions while face up and 4 directions face down.

I do not know if every stamp was fed in every direction. It is possible but unlikely I would think. I should think a company mostly would appreciate latters or logos being upright in a normal position on stamps that went on correspondence to customers so as to maintain a good image in the eyes of others. I would anyway.

But that does not mean that mistakes did not happen, or the person operating the perforator was feeling ill or tired while perforating and thus made a slip up.

I almost started collecting perfins as the variety and possibilities are complex and vast. Especially Canadian perfins which have been considered to have so many fakes that it was almost impossible to get a 'true' perfin.

But this was only because there were many different dies of the perfins, different machines set in different ways.

There were fakes, indeed, as there are with anything to do with anything that catches the public's eye and that also command a premium in pricing at times, but not to the all encompassing extent that was previously believed years ago.

And who is to say that this variance in machines did not happen world wide? Further study is needed. A challenge and a puzzle, which I like.

This is a web site that has King George V perfins listed (for Australia and also for Worldwide) for stamps issued during the Silver Jubilee of KGV.
http://www.philatel2.com/jubilee/id213.htm

The G / NSW perfin is only listed as rotated 90' left or right so this site would probably be grateful to know of one existing rotated 90' to the left and flipped over.
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Posted 10/26/2011   08:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Puzzler is correct,
Australian stamps were regulary folded
before puncturing, giving a matrix of results
similar to the example shown.
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