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Posted 06/29/2017   12:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a guideline on a 122. That is a stamp where guidelines show frequently.
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Posted 06/29/2017   1:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Douglas Andrew Willinger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Position 95, the bottom rightmost stamp on the left pane.

Here is another image of that position. Note the right hand margin vertical guidelines, with the inner one extending fully upwards but the outer one not doing so.

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Posted 06/29/2017   3:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Douglas, love that stamp!! what an interesting 90 c
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Posted 06/29/2017   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Douglas Andrew Willinger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks!

The offset centering is a plus insofar as it shows both vertical guidelines, the rightmost (outer) one being only partial.

If only these stamps were perfed to be slightly taller so what's barely visible at the lower left would be moreso.
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Posted 06/29/2017   5:44 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Even though that 90c technically has horrific centering, I absolutely love it! It showcases other aspects of the stamp's production that you normally never see.
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Posted 06/29/2017   6:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Guidelines show up on the 119 a lot too.
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Posted 06/29/2017   10:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add canyoneer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To wrap this up, I did get a nice reply from PSE yesterday explaining this particular stamp/cert:

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Hello,

This is quite an old certificate and the grading standards have changed over the years. If a guide line is scraped off it would not necessarily be called on the certificate unless it were to the degree that it actually thinned the perf tips.

As a matter of course though if a certificate does not list any faults it means that there are either no faults or one extremely tiny fault. Exceptionally small faults will have an effect on the grade of a stamp but will not be mentioned on the certificate.

It is possible that this certificate was issued before the introduction of grading as well

Hope this helps answer your question.

Please feel free to contact us if you have additional questions.

Thanks,
Tom Schilling
PSE


In the end I'm going to keep it - nice centering for this stamp. Thanks for everyone's input.
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Posted 07/01/2017   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrGG to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent discussion...very informative.
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Posted 07/01/2017   3:00 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have yet to see any certifying body define or describe the 'shelf life' of a cert or other opinion. With the changing landscape of technology used to cert stamps, the constant forward movement of knowledge, and 'standards changing'; just how long is a certification or grading opinion good for?

I assume they don't tell us this because it would hurt their sales, better to let people think they last for decades.

My opinion, they are good for a year or two. What do you guys think?
Don
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Posted 07/01/2017   3:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think that certs should be good for more than a year or two ... but certainly not for a couple of decades. Perhaps for one decade. The longevity of a cert depends, to some extent, on the particular issue itself. If it's a flat-plate WF coil, make it at most 5 years.
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Posted 07/01/2017   3:38 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe that the current auction house standard (generally speaking) is that any item with a cert older than 5 years can be put on extension, which seems like a reasonable timeframe.
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Posted 07/01/2017   4:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
cert life all depends on whether you are relying on the cert for condition or for genuineness. The technology for doctoring stamps continues to improve as does the technology for detecting alterations. If you are looking to the cert for an opinion on gum (NH) or whether the stamp was reperfed the shelf life is much shorter than if you are just looking at identification (is it a Scott #5). Plus, a stamp can be damaged after the cert was issued.
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Posted 07/01/2017   4:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Back to topic... grading does matter!!: Scott 591 perf 10.



This one graded at "100".

This just sold for 4000$.

at grade 95- 98 probably goes for 200-400$. At a grade of Very fine ("80") the dealers are selling them for 30$ or less on eBay and there are many, many for sale that cannot be unloaded to the stamp collecting hobbyists because there are just too many of them.
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Posted 07/01/2017   4:54 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Grading may matter with respect to auction house results, but fankly as has been seen in the past, it's a potential bubble just waiting to burst. Sure, that stamp may garner a zillion times cat today, but all it takes is 1 or 2 more examples at the same level to see that premium plummet. It's a (comparatively) modern stamp, so who knows how many are out there that could be submitted? When you cannot visibly see the difference between a 100 and a 98, is the former really worth 10x to 20x the latter?

Another problem is that PSE seems to focus almost exclusively upon centering when it comes to their grading. I've seen entirely too many 90+ graded PSE items with short perfs or subpar color or paper. Additionally, I've seen examples side by side where I prefer the aesthetics or "freshness" of the lower graded example, despite the other stamp(s) being numerically superior.

I'm content to let "investors" and/or people with more money than sense pay these insane premiums and am pleased that the grading phenomenon hasn't intruded too far into my area of collecting. Yes, there are high-grade revenues out there, but they are relatively few and far between, as the majority of the revenue collecting base (and the dealers who cater to it) tend to eschew professionally graded items.
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Posted 07/01/2017   5:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampman2002 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know, $4,000 for that one or $115 for this one. I'll take the one I have...



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