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Facsimilies, Replicas, Copies - Any Point??

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Posted 04/03/2011   06:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add DavidR to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Morning all!
Just been trawling E-bay to see what is on offer for older GB stuff, and as usual was confronted with many facsimilies, replicas and copies for sale. These are always of the high value stamps, of course, and the selling pitch is always the same - fill that gap.
There is even a guy (who lives somewhere near me) who states his fakes are the best on e-bay, complete with accurate watermark!
Now I am of the opinion that if you can't fill the gap with the real thing, then don't bother, as a copy is just a "wanna-be" stamp and of no interest at all. As a collector, if I aspire to owning a particular stamp, a copy just wouldn't do it for me.
OK, rant over. Now what do you guys think?
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Posted 04/03/2011   06:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Wadmalatz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No idea. Just as a historical background (eventually for further discussion:) - and this has to be checked- in 1862 for the great SIR ROWLAND HILL the 1849 issue of the French Ceres stamps were reissued (anyway, these reprints were allowed to be used for postal purposes too- they all too have considerable CV). Well, it seems Sir Rowland found no other way to `fill a gap`? Anyway, the 1862 issues of these french stamps figure in my catalogue as `neudrucke FÜR SIR ROWLAND HILL`.
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Posted 04/03/2011   06:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would not spend more money on facsimilies than what it would take to make my own. In making my own, I feel I am paying tribute, in a way, to the real thing.
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Posted 04/03/2011   07:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DavidR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wadmalatz,
Haven't heard of that but if the French "Rowland Hill" re-issues were valid for postal purposes then they are stamps, surely? Rather than something created to look like a stamp? Just my opinion......
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Posted 04/03/2011   07:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
David,

Nice rant !

The subject has been discussed in part in a number of other threads.
Some good comments here;

https://goscf.com/t/10908

...and many example scans.

I have a small collection of these as a branch of my Cinderellas. I have purchased them all cheaply ONLY from sellers/dealers describing them as such. Anyone trying to sell them as real stamps or with vague descriptions will get an earful from me. As long as I'm happy there is no funny stuff going on I'm very OK with them.
Some are very attractive and well produced.
For me, they are not gap fillers as I don't collect the stamps anyway. They are purely and simply for my Cinderella collection.
I guess I would not want one as a gap filler but cannot comment from the heart !

They are fine by me.

Londonbus1
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Posted 04/03/2011   07:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add beezer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I kind of have mixed feelings on this topic. If at all possible I would try and avoid fakes/replicas/facsimiles and don't want them near my stock books; however, realistically there are many many stamps that I need that are either too rare to find or available, but outside what I can afford. Therefore, in these instances I can see where having an "authentic-looking" space filler might be my only option.

I am working on a country collection for South Korea and there are many stamps issued before the liberation from the Japanese that I probably will not be able to obtain authentic copies of...If I had to choose between a xeroxed copy of the stamp from the KPC catalogue or a good looking replica I guess I would choose the second of the two options.
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Posted 04/03/2011   08:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldtriguy1960 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I personally would love to have the fake US Confederate stamps. I currently don't have any at all. I understand there were several different varieties/fakers of the fakes. I would not put them in place of the original, but would give them their own spot alongside the originals they were faking, or maybe their own page .

Dave N.
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Posted 04/03/2011   08:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add yobo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would never use a fake/replica as a space filler, I prefer to leave the space blank. I don't mind the blank spaces in my stockbook or album, it just means that I still have stamps to hunt down. As a collection by itself fakes/replicas could form an interesting collection.
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Posted 04/03/2011   09:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DavidR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link, Londonbus1, and apologies for re-starting an old thread! Although I am pleased to say that my old GB contains genuine copies of some of the scans shown, namely a penny black and a 1929 £1 PUC, and very proud of them I am, too!
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Posted 04/03/2011   09:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I currently don't have any at all. I understand there were several different varieties/fakers of the fakes


There are a number of different reproductions by different companies/printers.
The most popular are those from the Tatham Stamp & Coin Company,Springfield,Mass. in Tasco Booklets. Not cheap but nice quality imitations.

I think I may have a few spare. If I have, I will gladly pass them on to you as a starter. email me your Postal address.

Londonbus1.....
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Posted 04/03/2011   09:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Thanks for the link, Londonbus1, and apologies for re-starting an old thread! Although I am pleased to say that my old GB contains genuine copies of some of the scans shown, namely a penny black and a 1929 £1 PUC, and very proud of them I am, too!




No apology needed, the thread was not quite the same, it covered other stuff too. Glad to see you have the real thing. I would also go after them if I collected older GB.

Nice.


Quote:
As a collection by itself fakes/replicas could form an interesting collection.



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Posted 04/03/2011   1:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Wadmalatz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Haven't heard of that but if the French "Rowland Hill" re-issues were valid for postal purposes then they are stamps, surely? Rather than something created to look like a stamp? Just my opinion......

Well, I guess they are rather stamps than something created to look like a stamp... The idea would be, that someone commisioned a re-issue...
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Posted 04/03/2011   1:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Wadmalatz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And in a previous topic Rod has shown a letter:

Quote:
London, 5 February 1862

Dear Sir,
Here is a small matter, semi_official semi-private,
in wich I am sure you will permit me to ask for your kind assistance.
My father, sir Rowland Hill, who as you may suppose watches with much
interest the adoption throughout the world of his plans of postal
reform, has a collection of the postage stamps of all nations, which
collection I am desirous of rendering as complete as possible and with this view I take the liberty of asking whether - supposing it now possible to obtain them - you could favour him with specimens
(unobliterated) of the postage stamps used in France during the time of the Republic.[...]
I am, Sir, your obedt servant.
Pearson Hill
(Private Secretary to Sir R. Hill)


hmmm... semi-official, semi-private...
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Posted 04/03/2011   1:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mhc99 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
DavidR, I only have one fake GB stamp that I am aware of. As a rule, I am opposed to buying fakes to fill a space in my collection. I purchase what I can afford and wait for the opportunity to purchase those stamps that I need to add to my collection. I like the idea of displaying a fake as such but not in the space assigned for the original.
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Posted 04/03/2011   7:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
real mccoys only
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Posted 04/04/2011   05:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had rather have a genuine stamp with faults than a fake.
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