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National Parks Imperf 756-765 Question

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Posted 10/29/2013   7:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rittermitfahrer to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello all.
I'm fairly inexperienced with stamp identification. I have these National Parks imperf 756-765 stamps and they are very nice looking. Clear and beautiful colors. Since they are not gummed and not perforated, and they have no gutters or borders and are not pairs, is there a fairly simple way to tell whether or not they are authentic? If this has been covered before I apologize.
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Posted 10/29/2013   8:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The set is very inexpensive....unlikely to be faked.
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Posted 10/29/2013   8:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello and welcome, They have many sites that cover the stamps most likely to be faked, most of them being high dollar items. Since I'm not allowed to insert a link right now I would try putting "stamp fakes" in your browser and checking out the different sites they have covering this stuff. You have a very nice set of stamps there. The value is in the history of what they signify. Hope this helps. Maybe one of the senior members can insert a link for you. Cheers. Gary
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Posted 10/29/2013   8:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add petrucellij to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
kevin504 is right ... not likely to be faked .

You can find an imperf set gummed. As in 1935 collectors /consumers could return them to the P.O. for " gumming " . If you have an imperf "used set" with a cancel before march 25 1935 if memory serves ... (i.e. January 12, 1934 )the cancel is a fake or the perforations were removed. Scott specialized US catalog has more details on these sets and their idiosyncrasy.

Keep viewing the forum as I will post some pics of a specialty collection of the 1934-35 parks issues . I assembled this collection 20 years ago and have different examples of these issues in different varieties ( pairs, arrow blocks , plate singles, FDC w/ different cancels and cachets , etc.

Best John

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Edited by petrucellij - 10/29/2013 8:30 pm
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Posted 10/29/2013   11:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rittermitfahrer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I realize there wouldn't be must use in faking them. It just seemed to me that they would be easier than most to fake. I was just curious if there was some naked eye kind of "test" to know for sure. These stamps are interesting to me just in the way that they look.
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Posted 10/30/2013   08:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add petrucellij to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you have a genuine set of 740-9 lightly used you can compare them . Compare ink , paper and size of the vignette.

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Posted 10/30/2013   10:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rittermitfahrer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That, of course, makes sense petrucellij :). I do not have those currently but soon will. I would assume similar paper was used for both sets.
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Posted 10/30/2013   2:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I Brake For Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My guess is they are trimmed Farley reprints from what your describing. Farley reprints weren't gummed. Hope I understood you correctly.

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Posted 10/31/2013   11:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add petrucellij to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I break for stamps : In the Scott specialized catalog there is a foot note that a collector who purchased the 1935 imperf print at that time in 1935 may send their purchased sheet back to the post office to be gummed . There are copies of these imperf stamps which have gum .


rittermitfahrer: wants a way to determine if he has a forged set . The commonality of these sets makes it highly unlikely there any would be forged sets around .

These 1934 -35 Parks set sets contain many collectible varieties one of which is gummed examples of the 1935 imperf set.

Best John
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Posted 10/31/2013   5:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are these what your talking about? These are just the ones I had handy in my Vario sheets. I'll scan the ones in my album later on. Happy Halloween!

















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Posted 11/01/2013   09:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add petrucellij to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yes / no specifically 756-765.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-SC-756-7...em3a79e708c6

This is not an error as described but intentional per Scott US specialized catalog.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/756-765-IMP...em2c635f2d27
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Posted 11/01/2013   09:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would highly advise you NOT to pay 199.00 bucks for those. You see you could buy a set of these and send them out to be gummed. I think it's noted in Scott's.
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Posted 11/01/2013   12:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They cannot be sent out to be gummed today, only for a limited time back then, and only in full sheets. Gummed imperfs are a collectable variety listed in Scott with a decent premium.
The fact that full sheets of imperfs could be sent out to be gummed is part of what makes expertizing the real errors (the imperf between pairs of various values) so difficult to do at times.
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Posted 11/01/2013   2:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add petrucellij to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I_Love_Stamps : Thanks for the advise ... The ebay listing was for illustration purposes .... That set gummed catalogs for $100.00 and I would not purchase them with out PSE or APS certification .




https://goscf.com/t/34834
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Edited by petrucellij - 11/01/2013 4:16 pm
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Posted 11/01/2013   8:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add petrucellij to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The fact that full sheets of imperf could be sent out to be gummed is part of what makes expertizing the real errors (the imperf between pairs of various values) so difficult to do at times.


Yes , What you are saying is it is very hard to determine gum applied by the printer (Post office ) and that applied by a collector to an imperf stamp or sheet .

On a perforated gummed stamp or sheet (gummed or re gumming) "build up" will show up on the teeth or holes of the perforations. This is due to the fact that the application of gum occurs prior to the perforation process .

Good discussion revcollector !
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Posted 11/01/2013   9:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's not the gum that is the problem with the imperf between issues. There are more than enough genuinely gummed imperfs out there as source material. The problem is that imperf pairs have been reperforated, and sometimes it was a very good job, and real skill is needed to tell when this is the case.
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