Lincoln Bi-Color 2 Cent - Proof, Fake, Counterfeit?

John Becker - The other on the page with the Lincoln is a McKinley on a blue 5 cent. Now that I know what I'm looking for, I can see it without even having to remove it from the holder.

Doing this was very popular in the 20's and 30's.

It's been done with the Jenny, too!

That is 100% correct. Let me add one other thing - when these are postally contemporarily used or on cover, they are collectible, but not when they are unused. Obviously, anyone can make one anytime they wish just by cutting out the vignette and pasting it on a different frame and there is no way to know if it was done yesterday!

I learned the term "transposed vignette" from you Bill. Used on cover these often sell for $50-60.

Okay, now for the rest of the story, but not from me. In the original pic we have a blend of 3rd and 4th Bureau issues series. The vignette is from a 4th Bureau 3c. Maybe someone can tell which Scott number by the shade. The frame is from a Third Bureau 2c Washington. Which one?

All you Washington-Franklin mavens, its time to hear from you.

essayk, I was just working on that. The 3rd Bureau 2c frame is Type III with perfs trimmed away from what was originally a horizontal coil stamp (wide aspect ratio). So it's either a Scott #455 or #492 depending on watermark.

The 4th Bureau 3¢ Abraham Lincoln also has a wide aspect ratio so it is from a #600 rotary horizontal coil stamp.

Ryan, did you notice the 491 penciled on the back? Wouldn't that have been a KITA if someone had actually done that to a 491?

Hard for me to believe it was originally a coil stamp with that top edge cut as it is. But if it's type III, there are no other choices. If it was type I or II, there would be other choices.

Dave, I'm not familiar with that acronym. Killed It Through Absentmindedness? Oh! Kick In The A... I did notice the "491" in pencil. I've got quite a few #492 with "491" written on the back.

Bill, it's odd to me as well. If they went through the trouble to cut Lincoln out so carefully, why paste him onto that fugly cut up stamp?

For gits and shiggles I did the reverse. No glue though. walkabout's original stamp appeals to my eyes better. Washington could be cut down from the original vignette's shape to fit better.

Bill..Could it have been on an envelope and some one cut it off with scissors and removed the paper from the back..??
That might explain the rough top cut.

Robert

Robert - Yes indeed possible I concede, because the color of this stamp is perfect for the following; 459, 453, 455, 491 (rarely), 492. Notice I didn't include any non-coils in there! I can not make out clearly enough if it's type I/II or III, but if type III that eliminates all but 455 and 492.

Bill, let me explain my line of reasoning for determining this stamp's type. First, I noticed that the overall aspect ratio is consistent with a rotary horizontal coil. Next, there are two lines at the end of the left ribbon. There also appears to be two lines at the end of the right ribbon but it's not as distinct as the left. Those second lines would definitively make it a type III. Next, I noticed that the top right laurel berry forms a "v" which is also definitive of type III. Next, I noticed that the "digs" (I think that this is what Clark called them) in the lines of the laurel rope are thin/consistent from top to bottom which is consistent with type II or III. Finally, I noticed that the line in the middle of the right ribbon does NOT appear to be three dashes which would be definitive for type II.

All of the indicators point towards type II or III with many definitive indicators of type III and no definitive indicators of type II. I do not consider myself an expert of anything let alone the Washington Franklins, so I'm curious if you agree with my line of reasoning.

Encountered the attached item on ebay this morning, and rememberd this thread.

Yet another, obviously philatelic example.





http://www.ebay.com/itm/1940-Famous...232048914729

thanks for posting. The reason we started the stamp collection is for art purposes... So this is a FANTASTIC idea to explore!
I'll just make sure the kiddo doesn't destroy nice stamps... also for me, art and creativity can have some added value.