King Geroge 5 Help Kim

ok got it. thanks I will list it on ebay

For those of you (like me) who had not seen this before, a very educational thread on "foxing":

https://goscf.com/t/6514#6514

yes why do you think I wrote help Kim on the top?


now where is Kim when we need him?

Sorry, I've been really tied down with major medical problems for both my parents and my in-laws.

Yes, it's foxing.

If you plan on keeping it, keep it isolated from the other stamps. While it is not mildew, it is like rust -- once it starts, it is really hard to stop unless you do a major makeover; and it may trigger foxing on other susceptible stamps nearby on the same page (normally, this doesn't happen, but you live in a fairly high humidity environment).

You see one spot. Given the size of the spot, I would tell you that you already have foxing on several teeth, you just don't see it yet. My experience with the UV lamp is that once you see a spot of that size, there are already other teeth that are affected. It may be an artifact of your picture, but I'm looking at the upper left and upper right corners, and there already appears to be some slight "yellowing".

It is a very well centered stamp. If someone wants to buy it and doesn't mind the foxing, yeah, I would sell it and use the money to help pay for a better copy.

thanks. I am sorry to hear about your family

what about toning. if a stamp has toning but no foxing should we keep those or will toning also spread

It's one and the same thing, as is rust.

If I'm selling to you, it's toning, if you're selling to me it's rust!

no no jubilee thats a popular misconception rusting foxing is used interchangably with toning but tthats wrong true toning is different from rusting foxing thats why we will have to wait for K to open his mouth. I have got your email and I will respond to it this evening. :)

oh I have to tell you this Jubilee and any others who are listening so you dont get caught up with a dealers nonsense

stamps are to be stored under 19.5 degree centigrade and 65% humidity to prevent mildew
mildew is a disease bacterial that spreads from stamp to stamp
foxing also known as rusting is different from mildew in the sense tha tti does not spread from stamp to stamp.
toning is generally the yellowing aging of paper while it brings down value it does not destroy the stamp and you will see this toning in the entire stamp not a few places

the thing I am worried about and you guys dont have to worry about this

will toning spread froms tamp to stamp in my case :( a question only brother k can answer

Toning doesn't spread from stamp to stamp, because it's the result of the interaction between the paper, gum and temperature/humidity of the surroundings in which the stamp is stored. Foxing is a mildew, and will spread to surrounding stamps, if allowed to.

While toning may not spread, if one stamp in your collection shows signs of it, others are likely to develop it too, due to the ambient conditions.

Tony is, of course, correct. Many of the stamps I collect (British Africa and the subcontinent) have what auctioneers like to call "usual overall toning". This is environmental and not "live".

I love that usual overall toning. Usual if the stamps have been stored in the country, maybe.

i love you tony you have answered my question and you too jubille I wa so worried about toning I couldnt do anything for the past few hours well now that my collection is safe I have sent you an email. phew

Dear Tony,

there is a difference between foxing and mildew and uncle K explained it in his post here

https://www.stampcommunity.org/topi...ID=6514#6514

you should read it and give your opinion I found it enlightening

i also think I like stamps too much for my own good.

I get a Page cannot be found for your link, but (and I'm not a mycologist) AFAIK, foxing is a mildew which is a fungus.

que pasa?

AFAIK?

here is what kim said ( copying kims post since you cant reach the link)

The term foxing/foxing/rusting (as I use it, anyway) refers to the stamp paper turning yellowish/brownish in certain areas, almost always starting from the edges. When these stains appear to the visible eye, they usually have permeated the paper so that they can be seen on BOTH sides of the paper. This is basically caused by moisture reacting with acid in paper. When combined with improper storage, this occasionally occurs in stamps older than 50 years of certain countries (US included), because of the types of stamp paper used back then. The only way to stop this is to either spray an archival acid neutralizer on the stamp, or to keep the stamp in a mount. I do not use the acid neutralizers, so I cannot attest to how it might affect the ink on stamps. In general, this problem DOES NOT spread from stamp to stamp, even though it may often appear all the stamps on an album page have foxing (it is simply they were all printed from the same era and stored under the same conditions). Stamps that have foxing are considered "Major Defect". I know of no way to remove these stains without resulting in obvious damage to the stamp -- once a major defect, always a major defect (yes, a repair is also considered nothing better than a major defect).

[EDIT: Some collectors also refer to mildew stains described below as foxing. I distinguish between the two, because the mildew can spread from stamp to stamp, whereas the acidic reaction described above does not spread from stamp to stamp.]
Brownish/yellowish splotches/circles/patches on stamps may also be due to mildew. These commonly occur on stamp collections in tropical environments, and so are also sometimes called tropical stains. However, I've seen this happen in non-tropical environments as well. All it takes is a couple of weeks in relatively humid conditions and a few spores... This CAN be spread from stamp to stamp. That is why I ALWAYS scan incoming stamps with a UV lamp -- which can detect the stains easier than with the naked eye.

Without the UV lamp, you can still detect mildew. It is different from foxing in that it can appear ANYWHERE on the stamp. Also, it usually does not permeate the stamp, so you will see it on one side, but not necessarily at the same spot on the other side, or not on the other side at all. I have heard of several ways of treating the mildew, none of which I have any confidence in. These methods include vinegar, ammonia, very dilute bleach... followed by rinse in a neutralizing solution and then water rinse. All of which will adversely affect any gum.

If you detect an infection, treat it like leprosy and isolate it immediately if you have to keep it for some reason (like, waiting until you can get a replacement, or extremely high value). It is better to discard the stamp than try to recover it, because it's hard to be certain you've killed off all the germs -- why risk infecting the rest of your collection?

ALL the methods used to remove any of the stains mentioned above will adversely affect any gum and will leave tell-tale signs on the paper surface (though some signs may not be visible to the unaided eye). ANYTHING you do to remove any of those stains can be detected using the proper equipment, and will be notated by any competent expertizer.

I'm sorry, but as a matter of policy, I do not post instructions nor suggestions on how to remove stains. Thank you in advance for understanding. However, I can tell you that the information is readily available on the internet as well as in some out-of-print books. It's also not too difficult to meet someone else who will provide you with the information. If those 2 bottles you mentioned are the same as the ones I am aware of, they aren't cheap (actually, it's one of them that's expensive, but they are sold together). But maybe you have something else.

So basically he agrees with me, except that he distinguishes occasional acid staining as well. The differences are purely semantic in this case. Retain that George V 10 Rupee at your peril. Pass it on to some other sucker.

And I still get a Page cannot be found message.