Show Your US 1851-57 Imperforate Stamps

Good day all, I'm some what stuck, and can't figure out what position this is, cert says its a US No.10 but I believe its a No.10a. Position 9L1e. its a EKU I believe. If anyone can help with this, it would be much appreciated. and thank you.

Considering that 10A was added to the catalogs relatively recently (2008?) the PF would have called that a #10 in 1985 when your certificate was issued, even if now it is known as a 10A.

Plating AI says it is a 10A position 9L1e with a score of .839, or an 11A with a score of .833, or in 3rd place a 10A position 9L1i with a score of .827 and so if the PF is correct that it is a 10 family not an 11 family then 10A position 9L1 appears to be the consensus. (Did you come about 9L1e on your own or did you use Plate AI? if the latter, then my running the same tool does not confirm the consensus).

Regarding EKU, for clarification, it is not an EKU for 10A (which was July 1, 1851). It is described as the earliest known use of any postage stamp in Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory, which is still pretty cool.

Fort Washita - with an OB 3c is a terrific postal usage, congrats.
I do not know if the EDU still stands for this I.T. but its early and very cool.

ZEBRAMAN- I did use AI for the position, I know scott didnt have (A) until 2008
so the 1985 is correct. the color and impression is beautiful
I love this cover. As for EKU that was for the Territory usage, as the Helbock
scarcity index of 7 and less then 4 possibly known with the manuscript.
I think the others would be stampless. It presents very well.

Txstamp- Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate from all of you the help and
support.

PS. The JWM (Milgram) Handstamp is cool on the back with the pencil notations.

Hi Phade --

Your stamp on the Indian Territorial cover is confirmed as position 9L1E.

Despite the somewhat surface worn impression -- the stamp is definitely position 9L1 -- and has to be Early state since it is a B relief (as position 9L1 on the Intermediate state of the plate is a misplaced A relief).

Not that it means anything of importance -- but interesting nonetheless -- is that plate 1E was the very first plate from which the #10/10A stamps were printed -- and was in use for a very, very short period of time before it was re-entered to become plate 1i. Consequently we don't see too many stamps from plate 1E used in early 1852. Still, a contemporaneous usage -- just starting to get a little late for plate 1E.

Echoing what txstamp said -- nice Indian Territorial cover -- congrats !!

Regards // ioagoa

ioagoa-
Thank you so much for confirming the position and history on plate 1E. I knew 1852 is a late usage. may I ask what is the latest usage known for plate 1E? also if its ok to ask. what is a fair market value for this cover. I have gotten alot of mixed information on values. this cover has been in prive collection for almost 80 years. so it hasn't seen a open market in a long time.
As always Thank you for your help and kind words.

Hi Phade --

Regarding the latest known use from plate 1E -- I have never seen that information tracked or documented anywhere in the literature.

The #10/10A stamps were issued on 7/1/1851 -- so that is the earliest known use from plate 1E. Plate 1i came into use about the middle of July, 1851, with the earliest known use on a cover dated July 13, 1851. For the most part -- stamps from plate 1E were used up within a few months -- and with the vast majority certainly doing postal duty by the end of 1851. IMO any usage of a plate 1E stamp while the #10/10A stamps were current would be considered a "contemporaneous usage".

As to the value of your cover, I have no idea -- as postal history is not my area of expertise.

Regards // ioagoa

Hi Phade122,

If you would email me a 1200 DPI scan of the last stamp on page 255 of this topic, the one with the red grid cancel, I can try plating it. That image is very blurry, making it difficult to plate.

Good day all, seems I a bit stuck on this pair of US No. 8a type IIIa these seem to be Relief D from the right pane of plate 4. Im having a hard time with either 31-32R4 or 71-72R4
The two charts I shared are Neinken's Figures 15-G and 15-H, showing the tops and bottoms of the six reliefs. On page 272, he explains that D relief was used in the fourth and eighth rows. He also distinguishes the true break in the upper frame line from ragged traces of color that can extend into it. That explains why a D-relief stamp can show some blue above POSTAGE even though the outer line is broken. Neinken, page 272.

I also checked the full position plates. Page 300, Figure 15A16 shows 31R4 and 32R4, and page 305, Figure 15A21 shows 71R4 and 72R4. Neinken illustrates all four as Type IIIa, Relief D. The strongest difference I can see on this pair is still on the left stamp. The top of the S in U.S. POSTAGE looks closer to 31R4. The 71R4
any and all help is much appreciated.




here is 71-72R4 only thing that matches is dot in forehead from the Do Porto images.