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Posted 01/23/2019   8:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for those preliminary id's! Right now they are tucked away in an envelope, awaiting their turn to be sorted and mounted.
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Posted 02/11/2019   9:52 pm  Show Profile Check steve123's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add steve123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, Fairdinkum:

Are you able to help me out with this NSW cancel on an unwatermarked, 1865 One Penny?

Thanks in advance,
Steve


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Posted 02/11/2019   10:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Steve,

A watery 400 of Kangaloon, rated RR. Amazingly, the illustration in Freeman's book shows this postmark on the same type of stamp!

Nice find
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Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 02/11/2019 10:45 pm
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Posted 02/11/2019   10:58 pm  Show Profile Check steve123's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add steve123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Bobby. How rare is the RR rating?
Thanks much!
Steve
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Edited by steve123 - 02/11/2019 11:06 pm
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Posted 02/12/2019   02:06 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Steve,

Adding to Bobby's identification of the postmark and RR rating, Hugh Freeman explains the rating system as follows in his excellent 2017 book, 'The Numeral Cancellations of New South Wales'.:

The ratings "reflect the numbers originally recorded in the five major collections surveyed in the 2000-2010 period, plus the new arrivals on the philatelic scene since publication of the 2012 edition. Again, it is important to understand that, whilst the ratings are a reflection of those quantities that may exist, they are not actual."

Under this system, RR represents "11 to 14 recorded".
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Posted 02/12/2019   02:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Happy to help Steve.

For the benefit of the thread, Hugh Freeman's rating system is as follows:

NNR = Number Not Recorded
RRRRR = 1 to 2 recorded
RRRR = 3 to 6 recorded
RRR = 7 to 10 recorded
RR = 11 to 14 recorded
R = 15 to 19 recorded
SS = 20 to 30 recorded
S = 31 to 49 recorded
Not Rated = 50 plus recorded

R = rare and S = scarce



NB: I don't know if the rating system for other states is the same as I do not have the literature.
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Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 02/12/2019 02:13 am
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Posted 04/02/2019   01:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add markinsydney to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all

May I please pick someone's brain? I am donating a few envelopes to the National Trust and one NSW 1852 is cancelled 55 (the other two have a dumb obliterator and an impossible-to-read numerical). Since I don't own the philatelist's book, would someone please tell me where 55 was cancelled, such that I can give better info to the National Trust.

Thank you to anyone and everyone who answers.

Regards
Markinsydney
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Posted 04/02/2019   02:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StevieG to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
55 is Newcastle
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Posted 04/02/2019   02:09 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Markinsydney,
The numeral 55 was allocated to Newcastle (edit: as noted by StevieG above).
There are quite a few types, some are very rare, others quite frequently found.
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Edited by fairdinkumstamps - 04/02/2019 02:20 am
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Posted 04/02/2019   05:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add markinsydney to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you StevieG and FairDinkumStamps. I can report this to National Trust when I pass over the envelopes. Just for the record the envelopes relate to the Windeyer family of Tomago House (near Newcastle). Their son William (attending The King's School Parramatta at the time of the envelopes) became important in NSW and his son William was a major supporter of Barton and protagonist for federation, which is why Tomago House and the Windeyer family has some importance to the National Trust.

...and you've just helped.

I've just passed my entire states and commonwealth collection to Philas in Sydney for auction. I kept these envelopes because history is recorded in philately, and I salute you all for preserving our history.

Keep up the good work!

Mark
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Posted 04/02/2019   05:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mark,

The envelope with the illegible numeral should have circular datestamps somewhere on the front and/or back.

Dumb obliterators were used at Sydney and are usually associated with early use.

Could you give us any further information or pictures/scans please?

Windeyer, near Mudgee in New South Wales, is apparently named after either Charles or Richard Windeyer. The numeral, 191, is very rare.
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Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 04/02/2019 05:33 am
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Posted 04/08/2019   02:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There were some very healthy results at the Abacus auction yesterday. There's some bargains to be had amongst the unsold lots too!!
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Posted 04/10/2019   7:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add finches to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could any member assist with identifying pictured perfin found among numeral NSW 1d red state stamps please.


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Posted 04/10/2019   9:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi finches,

This is H H & Co, Henry Harris & Co, 201 Pitt Street Sydney, General Agents.

It is known from 1898 onwards. It is rated rare!

Hope this helps
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Posted 04/10/2019   10:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add finches to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bobby De La Rue...Very grateful for time taken to reply. Honest fluke I found it among a 50 year old box

of NSW 1d reds I'd NEVER opened until inspired by this 'NSW Numeral cancels thread'. THANK YOU.
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