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St.catharines - Wrong Spelling Of Name On Cancels.

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Posted 05/06/2018   12:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
He is a bit of history that has slipped under the table.
The name St. Catharines that is used today was misspelled for over 200 years..What I mean is that it was changed from it's original spelling St.Catherines to St.Catharines today as we know it.


Below is one of my Canada Post Cards from St.Catharines 1897 as we see even today.


W.H. Merritt, whose wife was named Catharine, and who ran the first post office, renamed the town to St.Catharines to honour her after her death in 1796.

In 1852 here is a paper with the new spelling (St.Catharines )


But to document that it has been changed, I have added two letters from 1854 and 1855 below showing residents still pronouncing it St.Catherines the way it was spelled 0ver 200 years go.







interesting development and today the municipality was considering changing the name back to ST.CATHERINES from ST.CATHARINES.
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Posted 05/06/2018   1:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dynamode to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did wonder about the spelling. Thanks for clearing it up.

I googled the company, but seems they are no longer in business.


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Posted 05/06/2018   1:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Even today people selling St.Catharines cover spell it the old way.

Robert


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Posted 05/06/2018   2:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert

Campbell
( Canada Post Offices 1755/1895) does not tell when names were changed.....P.O. opened in St. Catherines in 1817and he mentions " St. Catharines spelling also used"

Quite inresting post, again !!

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Yes, I found it a strange spelling, and shows how ingrained some
English can be in writing.
I had to check that wasn't a cancelling hammer error, when I did my page.
It felt weird spelling it that way.

St. Catharines 1898

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Posted 05/06/2018   5:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod and Robert

No wrong spelling

In English Wikipedia they do not mention Ste Catherine
In French Wikipedia the mention:

La ville fut nommée en l'honneur de Catherine d'Alexandrie.(The town was named in honour of Catherine of Alexandria)

This explains everything......since the majority of habitants were "Loyalists" (English speaking)......they decided to use St. Catharine (English). History is a complicated process !!

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Posted 05/06/2018   6:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
W.H. Merritt, was the postmaster and had access to change just about anything..Those the name change.

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Posted 05/06/2018   6:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
....and he lived in Saint John, New Brunswick......vécu à Saint-Jean, Nouveau-Brunswick, de 1783 à 1785, before moving to south Carolina and then New York.
En 1796, il s'adressa à Simcoe pour obtenir une concession dans le Haut-Canada et, la même année, il s'établit au ruisseau Twelve Mile (St Catharines) In 1796, he established in Ontario (12 mile river) in St. Catharines, where in 1803 he was named Sherrif of the County of Lincoln.

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Posted 05/07/2018   11:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wert, I love this stuff. My home town of course.
My understanding is that no one is sure who Catharine was. It is thought she may have been the wife of Capt. John Butler, commander of Butler's Rangers, a Loyalist Paramilitary group who's winter quarters were located in Niagara, or what is now Niagara-on-the-Lake. When Butlers Rangers disbanded many of its members settled the area. What is now St. Catharines was also called The Twelve, Murray's District and Shipman's corners, but was known as St. Catharines as early as 1796.
However W.H. (William Hamilton) Merritt did not name it after his wife after she died in 1796, as he was only born in 1793, as was his wife.
Here's a short but concise bio, which I'll also point out does not mention him being Post Master. That is not to say he wasn't, but I had never heard that before, and I've been know to be wrong WAY to many times.

http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/merr...1862_9E.html

He is however an incredibly interesting and important figure in the region history, his family name is everywhere.

As to the origin of the name of the city, I have a book called Names Across Niagara (John N. Jackson, Niagara Heritage Series, Vanwell Publishing 1989) which reads ;...the district town was to be located on land owned by George Hamilton, son of Robert Hamilton, the Queenston merchant whose wife is recalled in the name St. Catharines.' The district town they are referring to is Hamilton, of course, but I think it interesting they relate the name of St. Catharines to a specific person.
The book later states that 'St. Catharines is named after the daughter of John Askin and his Indian wife. Askin was a prominent Detroit merchant with close Montreal connections. Catharine, educated in a convent at Montreal, in 1778 married Samuel Robertson, the captain of an Upper Lakes sailing vessel. After his death in 1782, she married Robert Hamilton (remember him?) in 1784, gave birth to five sons and died in 1796.'
That may be were you got the date, Wert. The passage goes on about how Hamilton owned extensive tracts of land in St. Catharines, including a mill and warehouse, and gave land for the first church and school.
The book continues, 'The possibility of a name after the wife of either John Butler or Hamilton Merritt has been disavowed. Though confusing, the correct official spelling is now St. Catharines, though both the early post office (1817) and the later Grand Trunk Railway used St. Catherines.'
The book does mention the Cathedral dedicated to St. Catherine of Alexandria, but doesn't suggest it influenced the name, only adds to the confusion. Anyway, the cathedral was built in 1832, long after the town was named.

And Wert, I'm sorry to tell you that St. Catharines is NOT changing it's name back to the ER spelling. I easily found that story on the interweb, and it's published by the known satirical website, the Beaverton. Real FAKE NEWS

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2016/1...spell-right/


edit - I do see on the Canadian Canal Society website that he is listed as St. Catharines post master in 1840. So I do stand corrected. A very busy guy, ol' WH! Another website I just found says that his son Jedediah was post master for 18 years, starting in May of 1845.
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Posted 05/08/2018   08:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Quite an interesting piece of History, added to this thread, James ! Thanks

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One should be careful to differentiate official vs unofficial sources. What do the government/postal records actually state vs 1854 and 1855 letters which carry no real weight other than the preference or education level of the writer. A private letter is seldom going to be true proof. If I were alive then, I could have written a letter with Montreeall and Ottuwuh, and it would not mean there was an official spelling change. Be alert for typographic errors masquerading as fact.

Despite the mid-1800s postmarking devices spelling the town as St. CathErines .... is this a locally tolerated typographic error when making the devices or does it reflect the actual official spelling in the postal records at the time? Jamesw's post begins to provide actual references. It will be interesting to see what other records state and if there is any official "spelling change" announcement.

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Thank you John.
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Posted 05/08/2018   2:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks jamesw

Right idea, wrong info..But you get the idea I am trying to put across.

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Nice research carried out there James,
well done you.

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Reviving an old post.
This is about a change of a town name. In Ontario near Sudbury was founded a small town that someone called "St. Azilda" in 1891. A few years later, the name was changed because apparently the "Geographical Names Board of Canada" could find no record of such a saint. Eventually the name was changed to Azilda. (Try to find a St. Azilda postmark now. I'm sure someone has.)
About St Catharines???? Was there a real St Catharines?
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Posted 02/28/2022   10:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pollux to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
(Try to find a St. Azilda postmark now. I'm sure someone has.)
Abreviation for Saint = St
Abreviation for street = St.
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