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Share Your Sydney Cds Postmark Canceller Numbers On Nsw Colonial/State Stamps

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Posted 02/22/2020   6:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 6 straight line types.

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Posted 02/23/2020   06:01 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They look great Bobby De La Rue.

One thing I noticed - isn't that number 2 too early for type D19? White says the type D19 batch that included number 2 was released in 1903.
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Posted 02/23/2020   2:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Fairdinkumstamps

For type D19 there are two '2' devices.

The first was in use from September 1900 to August 1903.
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Posted 02/23/2020   3:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some quick notes.

Types D1 to D11 are individual devices.

Only from type D12 on do we see 'sets'.

The type D12 set is 'numbered' A, B, P and S. The sets from D13 onwards are numbered.

I found a White type D10 (see below) but cannot seem to find a type D8 to show, but I will look through my 2d DLR single line 2 Wmk stamps to see if I can fluke one! The device is similar to D7 but the arc at the top comprises dashed lines and the lettering is finer.

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Posted 02/23/2020   7:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
White type D8.





To show the full duplex, this is lot 419 from the Alvarado sale.

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Posted 02/25/2020   8:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some further information on the later types.

Type 13 - numbered 1 to 5, various time code letters, in use 1875-1881

Type 14 - numbered 1-2, 5-8, various time code letters, in use 1876-1882

Type 15 - numbered 1-17, various time code letters, in use 1881-1884

Type 16 - numbered 1-40 (no 6, 8, 11, 13, 17; replacements issued for numbers 12, 15, 16, 18, 19, 26), in use 1885-1894

Type 17 - numbered 1, 3, 9, 10, 12, 14-18, 22, 24-28, 30, 33, 35-38, 40-45; in use 1895-1903

Type 18 - numbered 4, 14, 16, 19, 32, 40; in use 1897-1902

Type 19 - numbered 1, 2, 4, 9, 10, 12, 14-16, 18, 19, 22, 24-27, 30, 32, 36, 40-45; replacements issued for 1 (2), 2, 4, 10, 14, 15, 22, 24, 26 (2), 43, 44, 45; in use 1899-1910

First single line - numbered 3, 24, 30, 35, 36, 41; in use 1905-06

Second single line - numbered 7, 8, 13, 15, 17, 20, 35, 38; in use 1906-08

Third single line - numbered 10, 15, 17, 20, 35, 43; in use 1908-09

Fourth single line - numbered 8, 10, 13, 15, 17, 35, 38, 43; in use 1908-11

Fifth single line - numbered 17 (number above date line), 22, 26; in use 1909-11

Sixth single line - numbered 2, 4-7, 13, 26, 38, 39, 40; in use 1910-
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Posted 02/26/2020   12:19 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great information, thanks Bobby De La Rue.

Now to hope that members are able to locate some cancels in their collection so that we might see some additional new images of these interesting little pieces of history.
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Posted 02/26/2020   04:16 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Number 17 above the dateline (5th single-line from Bobby De La Rue's post above). This one postmarked 30th May, 1911 - the latest date I have seen for this cancel on a NSW stamp is 22nd October, 1912.
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Posted 02/29/2020   08:03 am  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some on NSW Postage Due stamps, they are surprisingly hard to find.

I stretched the definition and added some registered ones (but they are from my collection!).


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Posted 02/29/2020   4:46 pm  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you 64idgaf - your canceller 26, dated 27th November 1896, is interesting - seems to have sidebars but I can't see a 26 in White's D18 listing (they were the ones with sidebars next to the number).

There is also no obliterator present as there would be in a duplex, so I would be interested in what the literature says about that usage.

Your canceller number 19, dated 30th September 1902, appears to be a type D17. It has the larger Sydney lettering and is too early for type D19.

White has the following D19's appearing:

In 1900: 1, 12, 15, 16, 24, 27, 36, 43, 44, 45
In 1901: 4, 22, 26, 30, 42
In 1902: 16, 44
In 1903: 2, 10, 18, 19, 32, 40
plus replacements for 4, 14, 15, 22, 24, 26, 45
In 1904: replacements for 25, 43 and 26 (again!)
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Posted 02/29/2020   10:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 26 cancel is a D16, first type, and thus proves concurrent use with the second type.

See White p.60

The 19 cancel has all the characteristics of a D17 and if so, it is a new type.

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Posted 02/29/2020   10:29 pm  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bobby De La Rue - I see the relevant part at the end of the paragraph:

Many stamps in this set were used as cds-only backstamps or cancels (my underlining)

The apparent 'side-bars' must be just stray ink.
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Posted 03/02/2020   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The 19 cancel has all the characteristics of a D17 and if so, it is a new type.


The more I look at this the more I'm leaning towards a damaged 18 with some ink artifacts.
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1900 CDS #25
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The Geisha Stamp Company, Sydney, a trading name of Jonaski Takuma, perpetrator of the famous Postal Forgery of 1888
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