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Is This A Rare Haiti Stamp?

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Posted 05/26/2023   11:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Jujustamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message




Thanks!
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Posted 05/27/2023   12:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chesham85 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It wasn't rare when you asked in March so I suspect that it is not rare in May, but it depends on your definition of rare.. Glad to see you now know the correct country of origin.
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Posted 05/27/2023   2:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jujustamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's not the same stamp as last time.
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Posted 05/27/2023   3:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Let's approach things a different way. What makes you believe this stamp may be rare?
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Posted 05/27/2023   3:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jujustamps, you posted this stamp on 3/18/23. If it is not the same please let us know the difference


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Posted 05/27/2023   3:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chesham85 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly the colour may be slightly more brown but I think that is more likely to be due to the camera/scanner or my monitor. Otherwise there appears to be no difference.

On reflection in the original photo/scan the printer's name at bottom of stamp is barely visible so I think it was caused when getting the image.
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It's not the same stamp as last time.


It isn't "

Note the lightened but same crease, same, unpunched perforation chads and the details of the cancellation at right where there is still perforation hole paper in place.



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Some have noted recently that there seems to be an increase in the number of short or snarky replies in some of the threads.

I understand that each of us have a finite amount of patience in our wells to draw upon each day. I think any perceived snarkiness in any posts in the 'Introduce Yourself' is something that we should all be aware of and try to curb.
Don


no further comment but apologies accepted.

Edit: Forgot link -- http://goscf.com/t/83698
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 05/27/2023 7:54 pm
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Posted 05/27/2023   6:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bankruptcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott 187 or 188 depending on color. The overprint is from 1914, not 1814.

It does not look like it's rare.
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Posted 05/27/2023   8:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Is This A Rare Haiti Stamp?


YES! It is not frequently encountered.

It is estimated that no more than one person in 131 owns one. It may be closer to no more than 1 person in 500 has one.
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Posted 05/27/2023   9:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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YES! It is not frequently encountered.

So? I don't encounter stamps from Tonga... I don't collect Tonga. Ford Mustangs are not frequently encountered in Libya, but often seen in the USA. Residents of Hanoi, Vietnam don't frequently encounter snow, that doesn't mean that snow is rare.

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It is estimated that no more than one person in 131 owns one. It may be closer to no more than 1 person in 500 has one.

This is meaningless. By "person" you mean... adult? American citizen only? Philatelist? Philatelist that collects the Caribbean? Anyone in the world? New Zealanders of Maori decent? Your unsourced numbers and unclear statistical universe means that anywhere from a few hundred to more than 60 million people have this stamp. Not rare at all.
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Edited by classic_paper - 05/27/2023 10:01 pm
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Posted 05/27/2023   10:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rare in the sense of not often seen or rare in the cooking sense of being not well done.
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Posted 05/27/2023   10:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bankruptcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I prefer medium rare. Much tastier, I think.

The Scott catalog I have from 2007 (granted not too recent) has used values for Scott 187 and 188 of $0.50 and $1.25, respectively. This lead to my statement the stamps do not look rare.

I could be mistaken, though.


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Posted 05/28/2023   12:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Rare Definition

rared, rarer, rarest, raring

adjective
rarer, rarest

Not frequently encountered
; scarce; unusual.



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So? I don't encounter stamps from Tonga... I don't collect Tonga. Ford Mustangs are not frequently encountered in Libya, but often seen in the USA. Residents of Hanoi, Vietnam don't frequently encounter snow, that doesn't mean that snow is rare.


Sorry classic_paper but as noted above that does mean "rare."

NEXT: :

There are about 7,888,100,000 [7.888 Billion] folks all living of all age ranges and stages of growth (e.g. infant, child....adult, and insert your word here for the real old).

Now the best estimate of the number of stamp collectors worldwide likely comes from Stanley Gibbons which places the number at 60,000,000 [Sixty million].

That means only 1 stamp collector for each 131 people on Earth. If only 15,000,000 collectors of stamps collect Haitian stamps, then worldwide only less than1 person in 524 may have the stamp in question.


Now I must admit, that if we were outdoors right now, you would be hanging upside down by one or both ankles, while I and likely several others pointed and laughed as you walked right into a trap. Some words, such as rare are not all that precise . Nor are numbers necessarily properly perceived when it comes to scarcity. You are about twice as likely to win a lottery of over $1 Billion as owning the unique 1 cent magenta British Guyana as your are. There are three living current or former owners of the stamp and so far six winner of a lottery jackpot valued over $1 Billion.

Edited for 'punk you a son.'.
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Sorry classic_paper but as noted above that does mean "rare."

Rarely seen by Hanoi residents does not be absolutely rare, ask Norwegians. You're trying to use an absolute definition, like the OP, but in a relative way. Stop with the nonsense. It's that issue (or criminality) that is making the OP list the stamp for $12,000. Also, your backwoods imagery is weird.


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Posted 05/28/2023   09:07 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the previous thread about the same stamp, Floortrader told her

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To new readers and collectors , as I just said above ,yes it is rare and not found in regular worldwide collections . A stamp like this trips up the Catalog Queen crowd because all they do is parrot what the catalog has written . It is a nice stamp to have .

Is it any wonder that new collectors get confused by the 'experts' here? You guys go off in the weeds on trying to debate each other while the new collector is listing stamps as 'RARE' and asking totally unrealistic prices.

The OP also sent a series of "Messages To Staff' yesterday which she incorrectly thought were replying to this thread. Needless to say, those messages reflected a lot of frustration.

Please refrain from debating other 'experts' and post with the understanding that the vast majority of people who are viewing these threads are casual collectors. And please keep things simple in thread where it is obvious that the poster is a new collector.
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Posted 05/28/2023   09:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bankruptcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jujustamps,

I agree with Don. To truly get more accurate information about this or any other Haitian stamp you may have, the Haiti Philatelic Society would be a good resource (website is easy to Google, not sure if direct links are allowed here).

Did you post the request in Errors, etc. because of the "1814" overprint? This may be an heavy inked 1914 overprint. Again, the Society would have more information.

Hope this helps.


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