USA 2009 Liberty Bell Forever ID?

Nice page of Liberty Bell varieties, MrEos.

But remember, the USPS in their wisdom (or stupidity, depending on how you view it) has another variety of the Liberty Bell envelope (Scott U667a) which means yet another space is needed for another envelope variety.

I don't have a Specialized catalog. Are there just two envelope varieties? If so, I might re-arrange my page to fit another. If there's a bunch (different dates, for example), I think I'll leave well enough alone (or start a different page if I ever accumulate them).

P.S. What is the difference between U667 and U667a?

I qualify this response based on the footnote that is indicated in my 2011 Scott Specialized Catalog. I don't know if any subsequent changes have been made:




Whether or not there are any other later varieties, I do not know, however, I would point out that the latest issue of USA Philatelic suggests that there were 06/2012 "variety reprints" of the Liberty Bell #10 envelope in WAG and both regular and window #10 envelopes in PSA varieties. I am not certain if there is any discernable difference in the actual indicia on these reprints or not.

Hopefuly, a SCF postal stationery specialist may be able to chime in and answer that question.

I'm no postal stationery specialist, but here is what Scott has to say on the matter, from the 2013 Specialized:


Looks like a few more varieties are out there.

Cheers, Robert

I just wanted to put it somewhere (too lazy to start a new thread). Here are two of the Scott 4127d (large 2008) and one of the Scott 4127f (small 2008). What I find interesting is that the color of the gold Forever is noticeably less gold in the middle stamp. Almost gray-tan color.

Think it hard to tell differences in the Liberty Bell stamps, try collecting the USPS Liberty Bell stamped envelopes. I have 53 or so varieties and there may be more out there. See my post at:
https://goscf.com/t/36120&whichpage...%2Cenvelopes

Thank you MrEos for posting a picture of your album page. This was very helpful to me. Along with the sandiegophilateliclibrary.org link.

I finally sorted through my 1 pound sack of used liberty bells and found 12 of the 13 Scott numbered postage stamps I needed. I didn't count the stamps that are in 1 pound, but there's alot. I ONLY found four 4437. And 37 of 4127d. Of those 37, I couldn't find any that were the 4127f variety ( smaller "2008" ). Is this the most challenging Liberty Bell to find? Since I couldn't locate a single one in my many hundreds I'm guessing that it is. What has been your experience? I'd like to know.

Dale

I have a few 4127f's, both mint and used. At the time they were current, the 4127f didn't seem to be that hard to find. What I don't have is a 4437; that might be the hardest to find.

Robert

Hans van Gils created this checklist

The complete file is at: http://www.usca.nl/usa-canada-2/usa...tive-issues/

Found another stash of on-paper Liberty Bell stamps. This small batch was initially sorted by date and Forever size years ago. Not Scott number checked. In adding them to my prior 1 pound of on-paper extras, I double checked for a 4127f ( small 2008 ) which I still need. Found 41 more 4127d ( larger 2008 ) which none turned out to be 4127f upon closer inspection.

My questions is....are there certain Scott numbers passed out in certain areas more than others? I live near Topeka, Kansas. Could it be that the 4127f variation was never sold locally? And even weirder I never got one in the normal mail stream. Also, I didn't find any more 4437s. Only found 4 of them in that initial 1 pound on-paper collection.

Dale

Very complicated, but if you go with the Scott major numbers you'll have it done.

Yes sleepy. That would be an easy way out of this dilemna. Sadly, I enjoy seeking out the variations of the basic Scott numbers. Always looking for new ones that pop up. 3785a, 4737A, and 3792d-3801d ( need 8 of the 10 ) are newer numbers that are challenging me right now.
Dale

Gierhead: I too collect minor modern U.S. Scott numbers. I gather though that you collect them used ... which is more challenging than collecting them mint as I do. But if you happen to include an occasional mint stamp in your search, I do have a few duplicates. For example, I have extras of 3785a and 4737A. If interested, contact me via e-mail. Incidentally, I live in Topeka.
... John ...

John,
Thanks for your post and offer. Sadly, I tried to email you through this website and was denied due to my low post-count number. I love this website. I troll it often and glean much information from it. I'm just not too "chatty" hence my low number. Maybe someday I'll get to that magical 50 number. Thanks again. Dale

What? No gutter pairs?