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Posted 02/06/2013   11:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Partime to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Not the best example, but I had this in my "France - unknown" section for the longest time. Did a quick google search, and found that it was Switzerland, year 1900. I never noticed the white cross on the shield. Lesson learned - don't stop searching till you find it.

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Posted 02/06/2013   11:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Decent catalog value premium on the stamp, too!

Now if you had the re-engraved version with the "25" line-shaded numerals instead of solid...

[Edit: corrected a mis-type "line-shaded" instead of "outlined".]
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Posted 02/06/2013   11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I saw that reference. Anyone have a copy to show the difference? I'm sure it is quite obvious, but would love to see one.
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Posted 02/07/2013   03:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampStudy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is an image of the Re-engraved issue :



Image from a Harmers Auction. Maybe someone who knows can point out the differences ?

Edit: I see the hair is solid on the re-engraved issue.

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Posted 02/07/2013   04:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampStudy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
and a block of 4 from another auction :


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I agree, that if you have the 2 stamps side-by-side, the hair is a quick way to tell. However, note that the hair is actually NOT solid. The hair in the Harmer's single example is overinked. In reality, there are still some "white streaks", but nowhere as many as in the original. Here is a more typical example of the re-engraved:



I think the reason Scott uses the numerals as the test is because the original really is solid, whereas in the re-engraved you make out some lines of shading; so a comparison copy is not required. Of course, maybe I have misinterpreted Scott's footnote?
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Posted 02/07/2013   04:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I should have the original and re-engraved versions of the 5c stamp. I'll fish them out later today and try to post a scan of them side-by-side.
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Posted 02/07/2013   04:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure those are re-engraved or the resolution is not high enough to see. I read the values are lined rather than solid and the background shading is cleaner in the re-engraved issue.
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Posted 02/07/2013   04:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampStudy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The two images I posted up are from auctions listing them as re-engraved with certificates so I would assume they are. Maybe a enlarged image of the values will help tell the difference.

Thanks khj - will be interesting to see them side by side.
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Using Scott catalog numbers, here are Switzerland #98(left, original) and #101(right, re-engraved):



You might be able to click on the picture to enlarge. You should roughly notice the horizontal background lines change from slightly irregular spacing to very regular spacing; number "5" changes from solid to collinear lines matching the shape of the number; large white streaks in hair changes to much fuller hair with very fine white streaks as well as much more neck shading.

A close-up of the horizontal background lines:


A close-up of the numerals:


A close-up of hair and neck lines.
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Posted 02/07/2013   06:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Switzerland #98-100 (originals). Sorry, I don't have a full set of the re-engraved issues.

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Posted 02/07/2013   06:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampStudy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Superb Images! That definitely clears things up - I don't collect these but will keep it in mind when looking at dealer tables. Would you mind if I used the enlarged images on the stamp wiki ?
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Posted 02/07/2013   09:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to everyone for the excellent research. It appears the best test is an extreme close up of the numeral. Very apparent from the example shown. The background spacing is also quite telling, as long as you have a reference sample. The potential for over inking in the hair appears the most difficult to validate.

Yet again, a question asked and answered. Thanks.
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Posted 02/07/2013   10:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Would you mind if I used the enlarged images

Feel free to use it. My scanner is old and I didn't adjust the brightness/contrast correctly to compensate. The "greenish" hue in the paper is there, but actually not so green.

Keep in mind that the 5c re-engraved actually has a LOWER catalog value than the original. The 10c re-engraved has a moderate premium and the 25c re-engraved has a major premium. That explains why I've got the 5c re-engraved but none of the other re-engraved values.

Re-examining the Harmer's single, maybe not necessarily overinked, but possibly just a case of a jpg that got re-saved too many times and lost some finer details?
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I'd say another clue at to it's country of origin is the cancel - Basel
But I guess, not knowing it was Swiss, the cancel isn't clear enough that it would have jumped out.
Nice stamp!
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Posted 02/07/2013   4:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great comparison, k.

This is why we were gently pestering you all that time to find that darn scanner cord.
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