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Posted 11/02/2014   10:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Belfastgirl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for taking the time to reply I understand a little better now BUT can you tell me why the stamp in question ( the last on the right is so different than the others and why the letters are such a mess

After the letters S in US and and before P in Postage
After the T in postage and before the A in postage

The lower right scroll
The line of beads to the right of the center oval

etc.

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Posted 11/02/2014   11:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Belfastgirl,

You seem to be asking the same question over and over again. It was answered in the other thread several times, the last being a very short answer as a defective stamp.

https://goscf.com/t/40353#342938

By defective, it means something out of the ordinary happened that is undesirable. If you collect the various Australian King George V stamps, you will see an incredible amount of varieties caused by worn plates, paper fragments, humidity (tin shed), etc. Your stamp, to me, looks underinked in some areas and probably suffers from some severe plate wear. It may also have some sun or chemical damage due to storage or soaking. It may have surface scrapes in just those areas.

In any case, posing the same questions multiple times is not going to get you any different answers. Higher resolution scans would help, especially centered in the areas of interest. But in this case, I think we are all done and worn out discussing this one stamp. Do you have any others that we could see?
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Posted 11/03/2014   12:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I may be able to shed some light on your questions about these differences, but please understand that many factors contribute to the quality of impression on any given stamp. The second, fourth, and fifth stamps in your last group are all #206 with the A44b design, and there is a certain amount of variability in the image quality among them.

Now look at this group, all of which are #206, design type A44b:



This design was in production from 1881 through 1886. Look at how much variability in color and quality of impression exists for these. To understand why, it is important to remember that at the beginning of this period the American Bank Note Co was required to use hand operated presses for printing the stamps, but by the end of the period they were required to use steam operated presses.

On hand operated presses the plates were manually inked and wiped while the press was in operation. Despite the skill and experience of the press operators, the wiping of the plates was not entirely uniform, so some of the stamps on a sheet printed with less ink than their neighbors. On steam powered presses the inking and wiping of the plates was done automatically by the machinery. The job was much more uniformly done, but the settings for those tasks could vary from one press run to another. Factor in the character of the paper or the consistency of the ink and you could still get variance in the print job.

Now let's take a close look at a couple of the stamps in the group I selected which seem to have similar characteristics to the stamp on the extreme right in your group. I'm using my examples because the scans show more detail.



Notice the lower arabesques on both of these stamps (when they are not obscured by cancellation). The stamp on the right has a weakly defined arabesque on the lower right, while that on the left has a weakly defined one on the left. Just like yours. Notice the vignette on both of these stamps is practically down to a mere silhouette. These have less detail than your example. The shading around the lettering is washed out the same as on your stamp. The background shading on both of these is so thin it is down to an albino impression in places.

These stamps were printed with less than the usual amount of ink. These variances have nothing to do with differences in the engraving on the plates used to produce them. And I think they have that in common with your stamp. It is a variation from the norm, into the poor end of quality control, but these are not bad enough to be good. If they were down to bare trace outlines of the design, then you might have something. But most collectors will turn away from examples like these as merely poor impressions that fail to show the design well.

It happens.


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Edited by essayk - 11/03/2014 12:19 am
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Posted 11/03/2014   01:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Quoted directly from the USPCS website so you can check for yourself:
http://www.uspcs.org/the-1870-93-is...ote-company/

Done by The American Banknote Company

The ABNC produced three different versions of the one cent Franklin. The first was printed using the CBNC plates. It is on soft porous paper and also has the secret mark. It was produced in dark ultramarine with blue and gray blue shades noted. Its earliest known use is 25 April 1879 with an estimated 590 million being produced. Black, blue, magenta, purple, red and green cancellations have been found.

Scott #156


In 1881, a re-engraved version was issued. It can be distinguished by the deepened the vertical lines in the upper part which gives it a solid appearance. Around 3.4 billion were produced in gray blue, with ultramarine, dull blue and slate blue shades identified. The earliest known use is 5 December 1881 with black, purple, magenta, blue, red, green and orange cancellation noted.

Scott #206


Also notated in the specialized catalog:


Quote:
The 1˘ vertical lines in the upper part of the stamp have been so deepened that the background often appears to be solid. Lines of shading have been added to the upper arabesques.

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Edited by I_Love_Stamps - 11/03/2014 01:56 am
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Posted 11/03/2014   03:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
By the way I just chose an arbitrary Scott number for the regular design..so please take no offense OK?

Edit: I corrected spelling error
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Edited by I_Love_Stamps - 11/03/2014 03:08 am
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Posted 11/03/2014   10:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Edited by wert - 11/03/2014 10:51 pm
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Posted 11/03/2014   10:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good catch. I didn't notice that.
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Posted 11/03/2014   10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 11/03/2014   10:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
However, it's also similar to:

https://goscf.com/t/40305

and

https://www.stampcommunity.org/auct...uctionID=412

What makes you sure?
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Posted 11/03/2014   10:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Edited by wert - 11/03/2014 10:52 pm
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Posted 11/03/2014   10:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think you should remove your post.

I've observed her behavior for quite a while and I'm personally convinced that "she" is a troll. Give me some time to rest and I'll do my best to clearly explain why I think so.
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Posted 11/03/2014   10:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
P.S. I have "Printer Friendly" copies of "her" two posts that either she or the mods/admins deleted that I can show everybody. The behavior is very consistent with that of a Troll.
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Edited by Historical DNA Collector - 11/03/2014 10:48 pm
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Posted 11/03/2014   10:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are many consistencies of "her" writing style with at least one other SCF member.

It's all speculative until conclusive proof can be found. I haven't found it yet.
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Posted 11/03/2014   11:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bellfastgirl, when you first posted your "Unique" thread, you included a lot of extraneous information that you seemed to have copied and pasted from an email.

It would be proof to me of who you are if you would post something stamp related on your facebook account.
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