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Are These A Precancel? Just Started Collecting

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Posted 12/10/2014   03:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Johnny Stamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Are these a precancel? Are they worth anything?





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Posted 12/10/2014   03:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Johnny Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Found a few more.





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Posted 12/10/2014   04:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hello...
1st post....
1/2c - 9c - 7c are PC

2nd post....
12c

others are regular cancelled
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Posted 12/10/2014   09:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
fun to collect, but low value (under 0.05 total)
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Posted 12/26/2014   11:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheStampNut to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Chasa,

Do you know if a company has a permit to use precancels, can that company choose the stamp they prefer or does the post office determine which stamps they will allow?
I was just curious about the particulars.
Don
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Posted 12/26/2014   5:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
StampNut - yes, a zero-cost permit is required. However, the USPS discontinued the use of precancels as we knew them about 10 years ago, so no new towns are coming out legitimately. Some of the bulk-rate stamps are referred to as precancels - they are the only ones in current use.
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Posted 12/26/2014   6:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheStampNut to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Chasa,

I just ordered a precancel catalog so I can add a bit more info to my brain...always so much more to learn LOL

Don
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Posted 02/20/2015   06:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jeannie g56 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ok now I am confused I thought these were called over prints?
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Posted 02/20/2015   09:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PoStat4evR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Overprints are a completely different thing...if I were home I would give some examples. maybe someone else will step forward with examples.
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Posted 02/20/2015   10:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The term overprint is a very broad term to describe "any word, inscription or device printed across the face of a stamp altering its use, or its locailty or its face value, or overprinted for a special purpose." (Konwiser, 1947)

So YES, a precancel is just one type of many overprint types. Here is a sampling of some overprints.


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Posted 02/20/2015   10:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bamra1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just to avoid anyone becoming confused, on John Becker's final stamp the overprint is the black mourning frame around the edge, not the date-stamp cancelation!
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Posted 02/20/2015   11:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good point on the mourning stamp. Thanks

There is no end to the variety of overprints. Here are a few more. The stamp in the upper right is overprinted twice - with the "Nebr.", and the "Hastings Neb." precancel.

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Posted 02/20/2015   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blcjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John Becker,

I'm learning a lot from your posts. Keep them up!

So the three parallel bars on the Egyptian stamp at the lower right of the last image is an overprint, and not a cancellation? What would it mean, or signify?

Basil
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Posted 02/20/2015   12:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 3 overprinted lines on the Egypt stamp obliterate the portrait of King Farouk who was overthown in 1952, but why destroy otherwise good stamps?
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Posted 02/20/2015   12:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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So the three parallel bars on the Egyptian stamp at the lower right of the last image is an overprint, and not a cancellation? What would it mean, or signify?


The fall of power of King Farouk.

If you want to see an array of other overprinted stamps, checkout this previous thread:

https://goscf.com/t/32289

Also, this Linn's Stamp News "Refresher Course" article may be helpful:

http://www.linns.com/howto/refreshe...rcourse.aspx
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Posted 02/21/2015   05:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Pittsburgh Pa on the 10 cent Monroe is a precancel, not an overprint.,
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