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Posted 07/03/2015   10:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys..I was thinking about all the threads I have seen about colour variations, colour shifts, bad inking etc. and come to realize that the 1898 map stamp Scott #85 and 86 are probably the worst I have seen..I have about 24 used and mint stamps and the first two I looked at are different from each other as the picture below indicates...There are more than likely many more discrepancies with these stamps...Nothing earth breaking, but interesting.

Robert



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Posted 07/03/2015   11:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
continental drift
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Posted 07/04/2015   12:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Scottamer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wert, these stamps were always some of my favourites when I started collecting as a young boy. I loved the world map and the first use of multiple colours on a Canadian stamp. I was also fascinated that the same stamp had wildly different colours for the oceans for no apparent reason.

An interesting thing that many casual collectors do not know is that there was never an intention to have two distinct shades as they are now divided into and listed with separate Scott numbers. This stamp was always meant to be a single issue, but the ink differences when first printed and after being exposed to light soon after caused some wildly different shades to appear. It has never been clear to me how the catalogues actually discriminate between these. The "blue" shades makes some sense, but the "lavender" is often just a dirty light grey/brown to the point where there is almost no colour at all.

A bigger shame is that, more than a hundred years later, many of the nicest blue copies are oxidizing and turning into the so-called "muddy waters" variety. I have a couple of nice mint ones that I always worry will turn brown on me one day!

Also of note for this stamp is that it was also the first Canadian stamp to use typographic printing for the two coloured plates. I guess it was deemed too expensive and/or unsuccessful since this process was never explored again on Canadian stamps for another half century!

In addition to the anomalies with the blue shades and some obvious differences with the red islands for the typographic plates, there are also a huge number of minor re-entries and retouches on the later black engraved plates. Quite a fascinating stamp actually.

It would be nice for members to post some of their favourite copies or varieties for us all to see. How about it everyone?
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Posted 07/04/2015   09:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
some nicely centered copies for your perusal:

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Posted 07/04/2015   09:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjung to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are two of my favs. For re-entry collectors like me, this stamp is a goldmine !

Plate 1 - Position 3 - Major Re-entry






Plate 1 - position 89 - Major Re-entry




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Edited by jimjung - 07/05/2015 09:18 am
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Posted 07/04/2015   11:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rdavid to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The quote at the bottom of this stamp is from Sir Lewis Morris's song, "A Song of Empire" , written for the Jubilee. The basis for the design was from an essay drawing by Warren. L. Green, president of the American Bank Note Co. All according to Robson Lowe Encyclopedia.
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Posted 07/05/2015   12:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I posted this map stamp a while ago:



Obviously a major re-entry
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Posted 07/05/2015   12:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Obviously a major re-entry


Looks like a different quote was re-entered.
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Posted 07/05/2015   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add XNBer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It seems there are a lot of major re-entries listed in the catalogs.

Is there such a thing as a "minor re-entry".........or, is it something like a "tiny shrimp?

Wouldn't "re-entry" suffice?

Like ungilded lilly.
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Posted 07/05/2015   5:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are also lots of colour shifts, even on the same sheet/block..Take a look at my block below..Colour shifts are different from the 2 left side stamps as opposed to the 2 right stamps.

Robert






Now here is a weird one..Deep lavender with PINK continents.

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Edited by wert - 07/05/2015 10:46 pm
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Posted 07/06/2015   03:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Scottamer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey chipg, those copies may indeed be nicely centered but I think it is the lovely dated cancels that makes that album page so great! Good work.

Some nice re-entries jimjung. I used to have the major from position 5B91, but I lost it many years ago. I either did a poor job packing my stuff up from a stamp meet or someone absconded with it when I was not looking.

wert, you are quite correct that the three colours of this issue float all over the place. There was not much alignment going on within or between the three plates. I like your deep blue, light red stamp.
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Posted 07/06/2015   10:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3Dadeo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are many re-entries as mentioned, and yes, to answer the question asked, some are referred to as "minor" or sometimes "strong".

The definition given to me by Ralph Trimble" (re-entries.com author) is that to qualify as a "major" re-entry, there should be particularly visible re-entries in the letters/numerals.
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Posted 07/06/2015   10:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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there should be particularly visible re-entries in the letters/numerals.


And to go one step further 3Dadeo..They should be seen with the naked eye for a large major re-entry.

Robert
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Posted 07/06/2015   2:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
At arm's length and under office lighting!
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Posted 07/06/2015   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
HAHA....
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Posted 07/09/2015   2:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add XNBer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tnx 3Dadeo.

I think some adjectives should be saved for the day when we have to modify something that is supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

My apologies to Dick van Dyke, Julie Andrews and the brothers Sherman, Richard and Robert.

Mary Poppins was around in 1964, after all.
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